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Behold the Face of Islam
Chron Watch ^ | 24 May 2004 | Barbara Stock

Posted on 05/24/2004 7:26:37 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln

The following is an except from e-mail received in response to my recent column, from a Muslim who lives in London and writes for Al-Jazeerah.

We will return one day unified as one nation with one army and rest assure that those criminal Jews from the criminal state of Israel will have no sanctuary this time.  Even though Islamic laws give them protection, the sons of those who have been killed may not adhere to that protection.  The world is a witness to the fact that, it is the Jews that are hastening to full fill that prophecy of Prophet Muhammad (SAW), that the end of time will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them all.  Prior to that time anti-Semitism will become a virtue not a stigma!  Europe has begun to recognize this as has many patriotic Christian Americans-it is simply a matter of time.”  

      There are over a billion Muslims in the world, but are they all terrorists?  No.   These ''moderate Muslims'' are the vast majority of Muslims.  However, there are many whose hearts are filled with hate.  Their minds have been filled with promises of world domination, and paradise is assured for all who kill in Allah’s name.  According to Mr. Yamin Zakaria, who is quoted above, the killing of Jews and Christians is not only encouraged, it is demanded by Islamic law.  I know of no true God that would demand murder and genocide as the only path to heaven.

     Millions of Muslims who want peace, are willing to accept Israel and do not wish to exterminate millions of humans in Allah’s name.  But if they do not accept the terrorist’s interpretation of the Quran, these moderate Muslims have been targeted for death, just as the rest of us.

       As clearly stated above by this Muslim, who was educated in America but living in England, the death of all Jews is carved in stone by Allah.  They believe that a world dominated by Islam as the supreme power is their destiny.  That Islam must be pure.  Weak, moderate Muslims are not allowed. 

      Mr. Zakaria continued:  ''The U.S. policy makers have stated that the war on terror will continue for decades.  They are incorrect, it will continue for centuries, until true justice is gained.  We [Arabs/Muslims] are not like the Japanese, Vietnamese, or the Koreans that will simply forget these grotesque crimes...The relatively humane killing of Nick Berg as compared to those tortured to death in places like Abu Gharib was a reaction not the cause!  Similarly, 9/11 was a reaction to the earlier U.S. atrocities in Iraq and by its client state. Israel.''

      Is the hatred reserved only for the Jews?  No.  Christians are also on the long list of people to kill.

       Mr. Zakaria’s true feelings about those ''patriotic American Christians'' became apparent in this burst of temper where his ability to spell and use correct grammar seemed to leave him:  ''THE POPE is a criminal-Killed MILLIONS in Central AMERICA, 70 MILLION-CRIMES aginst HUMANITY!  How is the drinking of the blood of the IRAQI children yesterday going.  Thats part of your religion isn’t it, drinking the blood and eating the flesh.''

       An example of some the e-mail messages I received from Mr. Zakaria started with subject lines such as this: "AMERICAN PIGS and SCUMS Behaving LIKE CATHOLIC FASCISTS'' and ''U.S. Soldiers - BABY KILLERS - Wanted for GENOCIDE against the WORLD.''  This from a man who cheered the execution of a pregnant Israeli woman and her four small children as a great victory for Islam.  Mr. Zakaria saw nothing wrong with the murder of a two-year-old toddler, who had three bullets put in her head as she sat crying in her car-seat.  After all, she was a Jew.   

      History has already witnessed and documented irrational hatred of this magnitude.  Did the world learn nothing?  The parallel between the events of today and pre-World War II are startling.   

       Radical Muslims believe the Jew is the enemy that must be exterminated.  The Jew is the cause of Muslim poverty and suffering of Muslims everywhere.  The Jew lives in comfort while Muslims suffer.  It is Muslim destiny to be the rulers of the world and be the ''Master Race'' with all the inferior ''races'' subjugated under them or exterminated.

      Leading up to World War II, countries were overrun by Nazi Germany and the world, for the most part, did nothing but look the other way--hoping foolishly that the nightmare would pass them by.  It didn’t.  Nor will it pass them by now.

      While radical Muslims spit on the name of Hitler, radical Islam has embraced Hitler’s philosophy of the ''Final Solution'' and all the horror within.  Fundamentalists have not only embraced it, they have expanded on it.

      Today, nearly every country is on high-alert for attacks from radical Muslims.  Normal life has been disrupted in virtually every country in the world.  Peace is held hostage by Muslims who hate everything which Americans and other freedom-loving countries have fought and died for.

     Countries where Christians and Muslims had lived in peace for centuries are now under siege.  Radical Islam has infiltrated the masses and now goads peace-loving Muslims into attacking and slaughtering their Christian neighbors who refuse to convert to Islam. 

     Instead of camps with gas chambers, which fundamentalists know the world will not tolerate again--and I was told probably didn’t exist--these terrorists have chosen a different path.  Fundamentalists know they cannot defeat the armies of the West so they have chosen infiltration, intimidation, subjugation, and terrorism, to gain victories in their modern-day crusades. 

     Infiltrate the free societies and become a cancer, destroying their society from within. 

     Intimidate the poor and uneducated and force them to convert to Islam.  Once a majority, radical Islam takes over the government in supposed ''legal and free'' elections.

      Subjugate the masses to their will.  Reproduce in large numbers and raise the children to be robot-like in their hatred for anyone non-Muslim.  In turn, these children are taught that Allah will only love them if they die killing in his name.

      Terrorize everyone and kill sporadically and viciously, keeping the fear of an attack always on people’s mind.  Destroy the economy of a country in its attempt to protect itself from attack.  A new technological twist is to videotape executions such as beheadings which will be shown with glee on Arab and Muslim television to the horror of civilized people everywhere. 

      I was told repeatedly by this Muslim man who contacted me that I was just a ''foolish American woman.''  I was far too ignorant to understand that Islam will rule the world because Allah has said it will be so.  The author of these messages  laughed at my attempts to reason with him.  When I took off the gloves and shot back, his fury was expressed in messages full of hatred for Americans, Christians, Jews, and moderate Muslims.  Twisted hatred was the only message he had to offer.  How dare I point out the evils of radical Islam!  Muslims only kill because they have been attacked and those that die, even babies, deserve to die for their crimes against Islam.

      The entire concept of his argument is based on lies, distortions, and misconceptions.  He views the world with the tunnel vision of one who has been completely indoctrinated in the branch of Islam that has declared that Islam will dominate the world, women are property, daughters are handed over to be raped to repay debts, pedophilia among men is accepted, the murder of helpless toddlers is justified.  He can still, with all the conviction his soul, call Americans perverted and evil. 

       Just as Hitler and his followers saw no wrong in their actions, neither do these fundamentalists who terrorize the world with suicide bombers, car bombs, the point blank execution of two year olds, and televised beheadings.  All is justified to attain the ultimate goal--power.  God has nothing to with it but I suspect God’s fallen archangel, Lucifer, thrown from heaven because of vanity and Lucifer’s belief that he was God’s equal, has a great deal to do with the irrational death and destruction that has been unleashed around the world. 

       Which is the true face of Islam?  Peace, or war?  Life, or death?  Freedom, or subjugation?  There is a segment of Islam that has a false and evil face.  Is it possible that radical Islam follows a false Allah who foolishly believes he is God's equal?

 Barbara is a registered nurse who enjoys writing about politics and current events.  Her website is at and she receives e-mail at:

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To: Guillermo

A "moderate" muslim is a muslim who wants to kill you tomorrow instead of today.

Sadly, I doubt the civilized world has the brass to do what must be done to destroy this muslim cancer. Hell, I don't even think the USA has what it takes for what's going to prove to be at least a 50 year war.

21 posted on 05/24/2004 7:58:53 AM PDT by NCPAC
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To: Lando Lincoln

But surely there MUST be some moderate muslims somewhere under that pile of manure.....pass the shovel!

National Review Online
May 13, 2004, 8:37 a.m. -

The War that Dare Not Speak Its Name
The battle is against militant Islam, not "Terror"

By Andrew C. McCarthy

EDITOR'S NOTE: The following is adapted from a speech given last month at the annual conference of the University of Virginia School of Medicine's Critical Incident Analysis Group (CIAG). The theme of this year's CIAG conference was "Countering Suicide Terrorism: Risks, Responsibilities and Realities."

At any gathering of analysts, academics, and law-enforcement officers who specialize in counter-terrorism, it certainly is appropriate that we should focus on risks, responsibilities, and realities. My question, though, is whether we have the order backwards. Our most urgent imperative today is the need to confront reality. Only by doing that can we get a true understanding of the risks we face and our responsibilities in dealing with them.

What reality am I talking about?

Well, we are now well into the third year of what is called the "War on Terror." That is the language we all use, and it is ubiquitous. The tabloids and the more prestigious journals of news and opinion fill their pages with it. The 24-hour cable television stations are not content merely to repeat "War on Terror" as if it were a mantra; they actually use it as a floating logo in their dizzying set designs.

Most significant of all, the "War on Terror" is our government's top rhetorical catch-phrase. It is the way we define for the American people and the world - especially the Islamic world - what we are doing, and what we are about. It is the way we explain the nature of the menace that we are striving to defeat.

But is it accurate? Does it make sense? More importantly, does it serve our purposes? Does it make victory more identifiable, and hence more attainable? I humbly suggest that it fails on all these scores. This, furthermore, is no mere matter of rhetoric or semantics. It is all about substance, and it goes to the very core of our struggle.

Terrorism is not an enemy. It is a method. It is the most sinister, brutal, inhumane method of our age. But it is nonetheless just that: a method. You cannot, and you do not, make war on a method. War is made on an identified - and identifiable - enemy.

In the here and now, that enemy is militant Islam - a very particular practice and interpretation of a very particular set of religious, political and social principles.

Now that is a very disturbing, very discomfiting thing to say in 21st-century America. It is very judgmental. It sounds very insensitive. It is the very definition of politically incorrect. Saying it aloud will not get you invited to chat with Oprah. But it is a fact. And it is important both to say it and to understand it.

We have a rich and worthy tradition of religious tolerance in America. Indeed, in many ways our reverence for religious practice and tolerance is why there is an America. America was a deeply religious place long before it was ever a constitutional democracy. That tradition of tolerance causes us, admirably, to bend over backwards before we pass judgment on the religious beliefs and religious practices of others. It is an enormous part of what makes America great.

It led our government, within hours of the 9/11 attacks, to announce to the world that Islam was not and is not our enemy. Repeatedly, the president himself has said it: "The 19 suicide terrorists hijacked a great religion." The message from all our top officials has been abundantly clear: "That's that; Islam off the table; no need to go deeper."

But we have taken the ostrich routine way too far. A commitment in favor of toleration is not the same as a commitment against examination. We have been so paralyzed by the fear of being portrayed as an enemy of Islam - as an enemy of a creed practiced by perhaps a billion people worldwide - that we've lost our voice on a very salient question: What will be the Islam of the 21st century? Will it be the Islam of the militants, or the Islam of the moderates? That's the reality we need to grapple with.

Let's make no mistake about this: We have a crucial national-security interest in the outcome of that struggle. We need the moderates to win. And here, when I speak of moderates, I am not talking about those who merely pay lip service to moderation. I am not talking about those who take advantage of America's benign traditions and our reluctance to examine the religious practices of others. I am not talking about those who use that blind eye we turn as an opportunity to be apologists, enablers, and supporters of terrorists.

I am talking about authentic moderates: millions of Muslims who want an enlightened, tolerant, and engaged Islam for today's world. Those people need our help in the worst way. They are losing the battles for their communities. The militants may not be a majority, but they are a vocal, aggressive minority - and they are not nearly as much of a small fringe as we'd like to believe.

As an assistant U.S. attorney, time and time again I heard it over the last decade, from ordinary Muslims we reached out to for help - people we wanted to hire as Arabic translators, or who were potential witnesses, or who were simply in a position to provide helpful information. People who were as far from being terrorists as you could possibly be. "I'd like to help the government," they would say, "but I can't." And it was not so much about their safety - although there was, no doubt, some of that going on. It was about ostracism.

Repeatedly they'd tell us that the militant factions dominated their communities. These elements were usually not the most numerous, but they were the most vocal, the best networked, the best funded, and the most intimidating. Consequently, people whose patriotic instinct was to be helpful could not overcome the fear that they and their families could be blackballed if it became known that they had helped the United States prosecute Muslim terrorists. The militants had the kind of suasion that could turn whole communities into captive audiences.

This is no small matter. Events of the last decade, throughout the world, are a powerful lesson that the more insular and dominated communities become, the more they are likely to breed the attitudes and pathologies that lead to terrorist plots and suicide bombings. It's true that suicide bombers seem to defy precise psychological profiling; they come from diverse economic and educational backgrounds - the only common thread seems to be devotion to militant Islam. But while we have not had success predicting who is likely to become a suicide bomber, it is far easier to get a read on where suicide bombers and other terrorists will come from. They come from communities where the militants dominate and those who don't accept their beliefs are cowed into submission.


That militant Islam is our enemy is a fact. That it is the object of our war is a fact. That we need to empower real moderates is a fact. And we need to talk about these facts.

We are not helping the authentic moderates if we avoid having the conversation that so needs to be had if the militants hiding in the weeds we've created are going to be exposed and marginalized. If we fail to be critical, if we fail to provoke that discussion, it will continue to be militants who hold positions of influence and who control indoctrination in communities, madrassas, prisons, and other settings where the young, the vulnerable, and the alienated are searching for direction.

For ourselves too, and for the success of our struggle, we need to be clear that the enemy here is militant Islam. If we are to appreciate the risks to our way of life, and our responsibilities in dealing with them, we need to understand that we are fighting a religious, political and social belief system - not a method of attack, but a comprehensive ideology that calls for a comprehensive response.

In the 1990s, our response, far from being comprehensive, was one-dimensional. We used the criminal justice system. As an individual, I am very proud to have been associated with the good work done in that effort. Yet, if we are going to be honest with ourselves - if we are truly going to confront reality - as a nation, we'd have to call it largely a failure.

We have learned over the years that the militant population is large - maybe tens of thousands, maybe more. Certainly enough to staff an extensive international network and field numerous cells and small battalions that, in the aggregate, form a challenging military force. Nevertheless, in about a half dozen major prosecutions between 1993 and 2001, we managed to neutralize less than three-dozen terrorists - the 1993 World Trade Center bombers; those who plotted an even more ghastly "Day of Terror" that would have destroyed several New York City landmarks; the Manila Air conspirators who tried to blow U.S. airliners out of the sky over the Pacific; those who succeeded in obliterating our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania; and the would-be bombers of Los Angeles International Airport who were thwarted just before the Millennium celebration.

In these cases, we saw the criminal-justice response at its most aggressive, operating at a very high rate of success. Every single defendant who was charged and tried was convicted. As a practical matter, however, even with that rate of efficiency, we were able to neutralize only a tiny portion of the terrorist population.

Now, however, combining law enforcement with the more muscular use of military force - the way we have fought the battle since September 11 - we are far more effective. Terrorists are being rolled up in much greater numbers. They are being captured and killed. Instead of dozens being neutralized, the numbers are now in the hundreds and thousands.

But I respectfully suggest that this is still not enough, because it doesn't necessarily mean we are winning.


When I was a prosecutor in the 1980s, it was the "War on Drugs" that was all the rage. We would do mega-cases, make mega-arrests, and seize mega-loads of cocaine and heroin. It made for terrific headlines. It looked great on television. But we weren't winning. Neighborhoods were still rife with narcotics traffickers and all their attendant depravity. And there was the tell-tale sign: The price of drugs kept going down instead of up. We said we were at war, but with all we were doing we were still failing to choke off the supply chain.

Now I see another version of the same syndrome, and if we don't talk about Islam we will remain blind to it - to our great detriment. To understand why, all we need to do is think for a moment about the cradle-to-grave philosophy of Hamas. Yes, what blares on the news are suicide bombings that slaughter scores of innocents. But look underneath them, at what Hamas is doing day-to-day. They don't just run paramilitary training for adult jihadists. They start from the moment of birth. From infancy, hatred is taught to children. They learn to hate before they ever have a clue about what all the hatred is over. At home, in mosques, in madrassas, in summer camps - dressed in battle fatigues and hoods, and armed with mock weapons - it is fed to them.

And Hamas is not nearly alone. A funding spigot has been wide open for years. We are better about trying to shut it down than we used to be, but we're not even close to efficient yet. And even if we were to shut it down tomorrow, there are hundreds of millions - maybe more - already in the pipeline. Dollars that are contributed and controlled by the worst Wahhabist and Salafist elements. Those dollars are funding hatred. Hatred and the demonization of human beings simply because of who they are.

Some suggest that our situation might benefit from making accommodations - policy concessions that might mollify the militants and miraculously change their attitude toward us. But let's think about a five-year-old Muslim boy who has already gotten a sizable dose of the venom that is found in the madrassas and the Arabic media.

I can assure you that that five-year-old kid does not hate American foreign policy in the Persian Gulf. He does not hate the intractable nature of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. What he hates is Jews. What he hates is Americans. It is in the water he drinks and the air he breathes. Sure, as he grows, he'll eventually be taught to hate American foreign policy and what he'll forever be told is the "Israeli occupation." But those abstractions are not the source of the child's hatred, and changing them won't make the hatred go away - the hatred that fuels the killing.

When I say I worry that we could lose this struggle against militant Islam that we keep calling the "War on Terror," it is that fuel and that hatred I am talking about. We have the world's most powerful, competent military - it can capture and kill large numbers of terrorists. With the help of our law-enforcement and intelligence agencies - especially cutting off funding and cracking down on other kinds of material support - our unified government can make a sizable dent in the problem. It can give us periods like the last two years when there have been no successful attacks on our homeland - although it is hard to take too much comfort in that once you look at Bali, or Casablanca, or Istanbul, or Baghdad, or Madrid.

Yes, we can have temporary, uneasy respites from the struggle. We cannot win, however, until we can honestly say we are turning the tide of the numbers. The madrassas are like conveyor belts. If they are churning out more militants in waiting than we are capturing, killing, prosecuting, or otherwise neutralizing, then we are losing this war.

It's not enough to deplete the militants' assets. We need to defeat their ideas, and that means marginalizing their leaders. That means talking about how Islam assimilates to American ideals and traditions. It means making people take clear positions: making them stand up and be counted - and be accountable - not letting them hide under murky labels like "moderate".

As far as recognizing what we're really up against here, the terrorism prosecutions of the 1990s were a powerful eye-opener. We saw up close who the enemy was and why it was so crucial to be clear about it. Those cases are generally thought to have begun with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing - a horror that oddly seems mild compared to the carnage we've witnessed in over a decade since. Yet, while that attack - the militants' declaration of war - began the string of terrorism cases, it was not really the start of the story.

That actually began years earlier. The men who carried out the World Trade Center bombing spent years training for it, mostly in rural outposts remote from Manhattan - like Calverton, Long Island, western Pennsylvania, and northern Connecticut. There, they drilled in shooting, hand-to-hand combat, and improvised explosive devices. From about 1988 on, they were operating here, and saw themselves as a committed jihad army in the making.

They were fully convinced that their religion compelled them to brutality. And unlike us, they had no queasiness: They were absolutely clear about who their enemy was. They did not talk in jingos about the "War on Freedom," or the "War on Liberty." They talked about the War on America, the War on Israel, and the War on West. They were plainspoken about whom they sought to defeat and why.

Their leader was a blind Egyptian cleric named Omar Abdel Rahman, the emir of an international terrorist organization called the "Islamic Group." This was a precursor of al Qaeda, responsible for the infamous 1981murder of Anwar Sadat for the great crime of making peace with Israel. Abdel Rahman continues to this day to have a profound influence on Osama bin Laden; his sons have been linked to al Qaeda, and one of bin Laden's demands continues to be that America free the "Blind Sheikh," who is now serving a life sentence.

Abdel Rahman laid out the principles of his terror group - including its American division - with alarming clarity: Authority to rule did not come from the people who are governed; it came only from Allah - a God who, in Abdel Rahman's depiction, was not a God of mercy and forgiveness, but a God of wrath and vengeance, and a God single-mindedly consumed with the events of this world. For the Blind Sheikh and his cohorts, there would be no toleration for other religions or other views. There was militant Islam, and there was everybody else.

All the world was divided into two spheres - and it is very interesting how those spheres were referred to: the first was Dar al Islam, or the domain of the Muslims; the second was Dar al Harb. You might assume that Dar al Harb would be the domain of the non-Muslims. It is not. It is instead the domain of war. The militants perceive themselves as in a constant state of war with those who do not accept their worldview.

Sometimes that war is hot and active. Sometimes it is in recess while the militants take what they can get in negotiations and catch their breath for the next rounds of violence. But don't be fooled: the war never ends - unless and until all the world accepts their construction of Islam.

As Abdel Rahman taught his adherents - and as the bin Ladens, the Zawahiris, and the Zarqawis echo today - the manner of prosecuting the never-ending war is jihad. This word is often translated as holy war; it more closely means struggle.

We hear a lot today from the mainstream media about jihad. Usually, it's a happy-face jihad, congenially rendered as "the internal struggle to become a better person," or "the struggle of communities to drive out drug peddlers," or "the struggle against disease, poverty and ignorance." In many ways, these reflect admirable efforts to reconstruct a very troubling concept, with an eye toward an Islam that blends into the modern world.

But let's be clear: these are reconstructions. Jihad, in its seventh-century origins, is a forcible, military concept. I realize politesse frowns on saying such things out loud, but one of the main reasons it is so difficult to discredit the militants - to say convincingly that they have hijacked a peaceable religion - is this: when they talk about this central tenet, jihad, as a duty to take up arms, they have history and tradition on their side. As Abdel-Rahman, the influential scholar with a doctorate from the famed al-Azhar University in Egypt, instructed his followers: "There is no such thing as commerce, industry, and science in jihad.... If Allah says: 'Do jihad,' it means jihad with the sword, with the cannon, with the grenades, and with the missile. This is jihad. Jihad against God's enemies for God's cause and his word."

So rich is the military pedigree of this term, jihad, that many of the apologists concede it but try a different tack to explain it away: "Sure, jihad means using force," they say, "but only in defense - only when Muslims are under attack." Of course, who is to say what is defensive? Who is to say when Muslims are under attack? For the militants, Islam is under attack whenever anyone has the temerity to say: "Islam - especially their brand of Islam - is not for me." For the militants who will be satisfied with nothing less than the destruction of Israel, Islam is under attack simply because Israelis are living and breathing and going about their lives.

Simply stated, for Abdel Rahman, bin Laden, and those who follow them, jihad means killing the enemies of the militants - which is pretty much anyone who is not a militant. When your forces are outnumbered, and your resources are scarce, it means practicing terrorism.

Abdel Rahman was brazen about it. As he said many times:

Why do we fear the word terrorist? If the terrorist is the person who defends his right, so we are terrorists. And if the terrorist is the one who struggles for the sake of God, then we are terrorists. We have been ordered to terrorism because we must prepare what power we can to terrorize the enemy of God. The Quran says the word "to strike terror." Therefore, we don't fear to be called terrorists. They may say, "He is a terrorist. He uses violence. He uses force." Let them say that. We are ordered to prepare whatever we can of power to terrorize the enemies of Islam.

It is frightening. But, as this makes clear, it is not simply the militants' method that we are at war with. We are at war with their ideology. Militant Islam has universalist designs. That sounds crazy to us - we're from a diverse, tolerant, live-and-let-live culture. It's hard for us to wrap our brains around a hegemonic worldview in the 21st Century. But if we are going to appreciate the risk - the threat - we face, the reality is: it matters much less what we think about the militants than what they think about themselves.

The militants see terrorism as a perfectly acceptable way to go about achieving their aims. When they succeed in destroying great, towering symbols of economic and military might; when with a few cheap bombs detonated on trains they can change the course of a national election; it reinforces their convictions that their designs are neither grandiose nor unattainable. It tells them that their method of choice works, no matter what we may think of it.

Making our task even more difficult is the structure of Islam. As Bernard Lewis and other notable scholars have observed, there are no synods, and there is no rigorous hierarchy. There is no central power structure to say with authority that this or that practice is heresy. There is no pope available to say, "Sheikh Omar, blowing up civilians is out of bounds. It is condemned."

So how does the conduct become condemned? How do we turn the tide? Naturally, only Muslims themselves can cure Islam. Only they can ultimately chart their course; only they can clarify and reform where reform is so badly needed.

There is much, however, that we can do to help. It starts with ending the free ride for the apologists and enablers of terrorists. We need to be more precise in our language. We are not at war with terror. We are at war with militant Islam. Militant Islam is our enemy. It seeks to destroy us; we cannot co-exist with it. We need to defeat it utterly.

We seek to embrace moderate Muslims; to promote them, and to help them win the struggle for what kind of religious, cultural and social force Islam will be in the modern world. "Moderate," however, cannot just be a fudge. It needs to be a real concept with a defined meaning.

What should that meaning be? Who are we trying to weed out? Well, last year, the distinguished Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes proposed a few questions - a litmus test of sorts. Useful questions, he said, might include: Do you condone or condemn those who give up their lives to kill enemy civilians? Will you condemn the likes of al Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah by name as terrorist groups? Is jihad, meaning a form of warfare, acceptable in today's world? Do you accept the validity of other religions? Should non-Muslims enjoy completely equal civil rights with Muslims? Do you accept the legitimacy of scholarly inquiry into the origins of Islam? Who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks? Do you accept that institutions that fund terrorism should be shut down?

To be sure, we should have no illusions about all this. We are never going to win every heart and mind. Asking these questions and questions like them, though, would provoke a very necessary conversation. It could begin to reveal who are the real moderates, and who are the pretenders. It could begin to identify who are the friends of enlightenment and tolerance, and who are the allies of brutality and inhumanity. It could begin the long road toward empowering our friends and marginalizing our enemies. Finally, it could make the War on Militant Islam a war we can win - for ourselves and for the millions of Muslims who need our help.

- Andrew C. McCarthy, a former chief assistant U.S. attorney who led the 1995 terrorism prosecution against Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and eleven others, is an NRO contributor.

22 posted on 05/24/2004 8:00:00 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: AQGeiger
"Muslims as a whole subscribe so completely to the glorification of violence and delusions of grandeur that even their "moderates" are lacking in rationality."

Don't you mean delusions of adequacy?
23 posted on 05/24/2004 8:00:48 AM PDT by River_Wrangler (Gun powder for me and a beer for my horse!)
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To: 2banana
The Nazis never were Christians. They sometimes used the cover of Christianity and other religions in their propaganda but they developed their own Pagan rituals for weddings, births and other important ceremonies. They also exterminated thousands of priests and millions of Christians in concentration camps.

Correct...they simply appropraited whatever they needed to provide cover, and folks like Papa Kennedy lapped it up with a spoon! Looking for Nazis in America...look to Camelot and Hyannis!

The Nazis used any religion to further their power. For example, the Nazis raised two Muslim Waffen SS Division during the war. These were the only true "religious" SS Division the Nazis ever created (and it is safe to say that the Germany was not a Muslim nation). Himmler was fascinated by the thought of Muslims to be fearless soldiers willing to kill for their religion. One of these Muslim Waffen SS divisions (The Hanjer Division) was responsible for the murder of over 90 percent of the Yugoslavian Jewish population.

It NEVER ceases to amaze me that the Arab world refers to "The Nazis" as if they were totally evil and to be prevented...when these Arabs SUPPORTED the Nazis, and FOUGHT on their side...

Hence my term Islamazi.

24 posted on 05/24/2004 8:03:47 AM PDT by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: Lando Lincoln
There are over a billion Muslims in the world, but are they all terrorists?  No.   These ''moderate Muslims'' are the vast majority of Muslims.

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Which is the true face of Islam?  Peace, or war?  Life, or death?  Freedom, or subjugation?  There is a segment of Islam that has a false and evil face.

The face of Islam is Mohammed.

Mohammed was a murderer, enslaver, rapist, pedophile, pillager, and a conqueror. Mohammed was a terrorist.

Therefore, the face of Islam is a terrorist.

To not have an evil face is to be false to Islam.

Radical Muslims are the heretics to Islam who don't want to bring the world under the dominion of Sharia law.

Still think they're the majority?

25 posted on 05/24/2004 8:06:13 AM PDT by Sabertooth (Mohammed wrote: "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers." (Sura 8:12))
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To: Guillermo
"The mosques say one thing to the public, and something else to us. Let's just say that the face you see and the face we see are two different faces," says Abdul Haq. "Believe me," adds Musa, "behind closed doors, there are no moderate Muslims."

Indeed. If you want to understand Islam and its attitude towards non-Moslems, read Bat Ye'or's Islam and Dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide. One of the most interesting aspects of this book is the role the Vatican and the Europeans, especially the French, have played in encouraging Arab nationalism and anti-Zionism. Apparently the Christian Arabs have been among the most zealous anti-Zionists, encouaraged by the Vatican. An important book, it will help you to understand that Islam -- since it is incapable of a reformation and critics and/or apostates are killed -- really is the problem. (That's not to say there aren't individual Moslems who are perfectly decent people who have no interest in world conquest or oppressing anyone) The tenets of the religion are really hostile to EVERYTHING Western civilization stands for.

26 posted on 05/24/2004 8:08:36 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: JackRyanCIA

Allah=Kali? Would we allow a cult of Kali to flourish openly in this country? I think not.

27 posted on 05/24/2004 8:13:09 AM PDT by steve8714
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I believe you're right...

Among the Left, Islam is "chic" and Righties are afraid of the Multicultural police to say out loud what Mohammedanism really is.

28 posted on 05/24/2004 8:13:35 AM PDT by Guillermo (Simpson, you've got a short in your tail light. It started blinking when you made that turn - Wiggum)
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Hell, I don't even think the USA has what it takes for what's going to prove to be at least a 50 year war.

I would agree that the left will be screaming endlessly, and waging the war that will be required will be tough. But, there is no choice. If we don't wage war on them, they will bring the battle to us. The left doesn't understand.
29 posted on 05/24/2004 8:18:21 AM PDT by brownsfan (I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

It's clear that the US simply will not get serious about Islamofascists until some tens of thousands more Americans are murdered. The more Liberals that are killed, the sooner the day will come when the US does what it must in self defense.

30 posted on 05/24/2004 8:22:43 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Sabertooth

"Mohammed was a murderer, enslaver, rapist, pedophile, pillager, and a conqueror. Mohammed was a terrorist. "

While I believe those things to be true, I am relatively uneducated on this subject. It seems that Mohammed may in fact be the antichrist. Do you have suggested reading, or websites where I can objectively verify that this is the case?

31 posted on 05/24/2004 8:22:51 AM PDT by brownsfan (I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

It doesn't matter whether ALL Moslems are radicals or not. The logic of the religion, the commands in the Koran, are such that the moderates will mostly stay passive necause they believe that the violent ones are truly living their religion and that they, the "moderates" are not strong enough to do as they should.

32 posted on 05/24/2004 8:27:12 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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33 posted on 05/24/2004 8:28:23 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Lando Lincoln
" There are over a billion Muslims in the world, but are they all terrorists? No. "

I'm not buying it. If these "peaceful" Muslims are so plentiful, why are they not cleaning up their own trash [terrorists]?

Why - if they are so plentiful - do they continue to live with suicide bombings, car bombs, etc., day-in and day-out.

Why do WE have to pay them, and help them with our military to clean up their trash? And THEN, we get slammed for it.

I'm about ready to say "scr*w-'em." Bring everybody back home...from Europe too. Close the borders, turn the radar and satellites on "high alert", export all illegal immigrants, and tell them all to leave us alone, or else.

You cannot help anyone who will not help themselves. The Iraqis couldn't get rid of Sadaam, so we did it for them; now they want us to get out so they can crawl back into bed with the UN. I think all we will accomplish in the long run is a change in "mob families" and that's it.

We need to stop trying to make them "Like" us, and turn back to making them all RESPECT us. When I was a kid, there were times that I just hated my Dad...but I ALWAYS respected him...and when I matured, that Respect turned into undying love for him.

No one can love, or even like, someone they can't respect, and that goes for countries too. Of course, a caveat is don't confuse "respect" with "sucking up"...sometimes they just want our money [and weapons].

Those who don't believe in that, need only to look at Kadafi...after Pres. Reagan got his attention, we've heard very little out of him. The muslims smell fear, and like any predator, will surely attack any who fear him; but most predators will not stand up to those who stand up to them.
34 posted on 05/24/2004 8:28:25 AM PDT by FrankR
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To: brownsfan
A new slogan perhaps:

Islam: a religion for those who Don't Play Well With Others!

35 posted on 05/24/2004 8:29:46 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: pabianice
It's clear that the US simply will not get serious about Islamofascists until some tens of thousands more Americans are murdered.

The sad truth. I just hope it's not millions dying, we know that is their desire.

There is a cancer eating away at us, it's called the media. Can anyone imagine the backlash against Roosevelt if photos of the thousands of dead Americans were plastered over every news outlet after the Normandy invasion. I venture to guess there would have had to begin a U.S. surrender.

By the way, why were we invading Europe, they didn't attack us, that was the Japanese. We should have left Europe to the Germans, perhaps we would be better off today.

36 posted on 05/24/2004 8:33:11 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Kerry is a major dork))
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To: Lando Lincoln
raq occupation has affirmed the Islamic world's worst fears By ROBIN WRIGHT

If you want to see the enemy with in, read this article. Osama Bin Laden could have written this trash. It is totally in sinc with this e-mail, it's scarey. She makes the case for the terrrorist.

If anyone thinks that the evil dums and their fellow travelers in the media care about America or our security, they are tragically mistaken. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that this WAR is going to be fought on the streets of the U.S.

37 posted on 05/24/2004 8:34:44 AM PDT by marty60
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Is it only OK for Muslims to kill Muslims?

I think it's even worse than that. Saddam was only nominally a Muslim. He was really a socialist dictator, yet the Muslim fundamentalists supported him, with all his atrocities, against the West. I think these people are simply power hungry opportunists, and spouting off about Islam is the way to power and money for them. They are racists, too. I think calling them religious fanatics gives them too much credit.

39 posted on 05/24/2004 8:39:28 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: brownsfan
It seems that Mohammed may in fact be the antichrist.

Mohammed is dead. We need a live one. Plenty of candidates out there from Bill Clinton to: New Catholic Times, May 18, 2003

WASHINGTON DC -- According to freelance journalist Wayne Madsden, "George W Bush's blood lust, his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs and his constant references to 'evil doers,' in the eyes of many devout Catholic leaders, bear all the hallmarks of the one warned about in the Book of Revelations--the anti-Christ."

Madsen, a Washington-based writer and columnist, who often writes for Counterpunch, says that people close to the pope claim that amid these concerns, the pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations. John Paul II has always believed the world was on the precipice of the final confrontation between Good and Evil as foretold in the New Testament.

Before he became pope, Karol Cardinal Wojtyla said, "We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel."


40 posted on 05/24/2004 8:47:00 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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