Peaceful religion isn't spelled I-s-l-a-m: Quran verses contradicting Muslim claims

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | May 25, 2004 | Mychal Massie

[nyconse]

Excuse me this was the old testament. Christianity is best described by the new testament. Where love of God and fellow man is emphasized. Since one must accept God in order to be a Christian, one can not be forced...yes I know about the inquisition etc. Christ did not teach the value of forced conversion but rather gentle persuasion. The koran calls for the murder of infidels. It's different. Also, every war (including Clinton's stupid war in Bosnia where we help Muslim savages) involved radical Islam.

[Cronos]

What I'm only trying to say here is that, if you take any Holy Book and quote it our of context, you'll have the recipe for any jihad, crusade, or Holocaust some tinpot dictator could dream about

I'm NOT quoting the Korn out of context. Read it in it's entirety. I have. Have you?

[kjvail]

"You could find many examples, just as horrifying, of Christian communities or countries making a massacre of Muslims, Jews, and other Christians. Does that make Christianty a criminal religion ? Are these killings ordered by God, G-d or Allah, or are they ordered by mortal men who find in religion a useful tool to further their own very earthly goals ?"

I assume you mean some of the much-hyped events of the Middle Ages such as the Inquisition and Crusades. You would be suprised to learn I'm sure that what you think you know about those events is largely fictious

There is some very good actual history here

On the Crusades:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm

On the Inquistion:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08026a.htm

Someone spoke of burning alive, the correct term is Holocaust, and here's what it actually means:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07396b.htm

I don't blame you for being ignorant. I came up in the same secular humanist public school system. I was fed the same relativistic crap that Islam, Judiasm and Christianity are all the same. However it's time to snap out of it and wake up to the true nature of our enemy.

[Cronos]

Oh, you think the video was bad?? Read the book, it'll creep you out!

[nyconse]

A misguided individual can kill in the name of Christ, his Mother, his wife or anyone really, but that doesn't mean he has permission to kill. Christ did not call for us to kill non-believers. He called upon us to try to save them ...if we could.

[wjcsux]

The Moslems have been a scourge on the civilized world since the beginning of time. All you need to do is look at their past. Look at what happened in Persia and the surrounding areas around 1100-1200 A.D.
The Inquisition was an evil act conducted in "The Name of God". The Inquisition, in reality, was a state sponsored (Spanish Monarchy) act to persecute the Spanish Jews, and take their wealth and property. The Catholic Church was merely an instrument of the King of Spain for accomplishing this task.

[kjvail]

A Christian nation, rounding up Jews to beat them up, seize their property, and ultimately killing them in the biggest mass-murder ever - because of their religion. (Nazi Germany

Saying that Nazi Germany was a Christian nation tells me what little you know about Christianity and Nazi Germany. Hitler was an occultist and the religion of the Nazi party was deification of the state. Read Mein Kamph.

The other's I'll have to look up admittedly, but I've never heard of priests weilding guns and gernades

In any case, events such as these would be in direct contradiction to biblical teachings, not in accordance with them. It is analogous the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea - calling it democratic and a republic doesn't make it so lol.

[DanDan]

They will find out very quickly how "peaceful" their Islamic brothers and sisters are, particularly if they wish to practice any other religion!

I would just like to give my point of view on this. I am a Jew living in a Muslim country (Morocco). I have lived in Europe and studied 6 years in the States and I have chosen to come back to Morocco.

I go without any problem to the synagogue twice a week and for all religious holidays. My three daughters have Jewish, Christian and Muslim friends, like myself. We have social Jewish clubs, a Jewish museum and at least 12 synagogues that I know of in Casablanca. All this just to tell you that being surrounded by a Muslim and Arab culture, I think I can give you an educated point of view. Morocco, like most of other Muslim countries is in the middle of a battle against a minority of barbaric, uneducated terrorists hiding behind their religiousness to promote their hatred of all.

A year ago, 5 suicide bomb attacks took place in Casablanca. The first victims were Muslims. The country was the victim. Every time a Moroccan terrorist is taking part in an attack around the world, the whole country suffers, like it did after the Madrid bombings. The Muslims who are my friends, who I work with certainly don't agree with me about what is happening in Israel or in Iraq for example, but we are able to have constructive discussions and not try to kill each other.

I can genuinely say that I feel a lot of tolerance here. There certainly are extremists here, but like everywhere.

To conclude: A Jewish school near Montreal Canada where some little cousins of mine go to was firebombed during Passover. It was the first time that such a terrible thing had happened there. The perps were arrested last week. They were from Lebanese origin. But Christians...

[nyconse]

The difference is the new testament does not call for the murder of non-Christians. The koran does call for the murder of non-Muslims. The old testament was for the Jewish people during a certain time...the New Testament fulfilled the law. Christians eat pork; we mix meat and dairy. We no longer follow the old testament laws. I don't care what some misguided Christians did-God did not give them permission in the Bible. As for Bosnia, after watching Muslims laughing as innocent men are murdered and their bodies burned...I can't say I blame the Orthodox Christians. The know who their enemies are and so do I. Islam is a violent religion/really a political movement or even a fake religion. Check out any war in the world, and you will note Muslims are involved-creating murder and mayham. I don't believe it is a minority view either.

[Atlantic Friend]

I totally agree on that.

[Atlantic Friend]

I've already posted a clarification about that, please refer to it.

[nyconse]

Ah, but Jesus saved a woman accused of adultery - Let he who is without sin cast the first stone....Ancient Jewish law has nothing to do with modern Christian law.

[Cronos]

I said a Christian nation, because it was Christians who elected the Nazis to power.

No. The Nazis won only 30% of the vote, they were NOT a majority.

[nightdriver]

"Christianity does teach I should put to death someone who's slept with a woman while she was impure...."

Uhmmmmm, no. Christianity does not teach that.

[Cronos]

I will say that, yes, they WERE the norm. And I will say the AREN'T the norm ANYMORE.

when was it ever the norm?

[RussianConservative]

Actually he write that Islam make good import to Germany, because it is of hard character and "strong".

[Michael81Dus]

Actually, it were ca. 40% in the last free election. But you´re right, the NSDAP never reached a majority in a free election. However, nobody could really imagine what would happen after appointing Hitler as a Chancellor, so it´s not the fault of Christians. Of course it was morally wrong to vote for Hitler, but I don´t think that the voters have committed a crime by voting for him or are responsible for what Hitler and the Nazis did afterwards.

[kjvail]

I think comparing Christianity and Islam demonstrates a complete ignorance of both and even worse a complete ignorance of who Satan is and what he wants. I'm talking specifically about the idealogy, not about those that practice it. The difference is when Christians commit atrocities they are defying the words of Christ. Christ was a martyr who died because he would not defend himself. There is nothing in Christianity that condones atrocity, which does not mean it doesn't happen but it is illicit when it occurs.

I learned something the other day I would like to share:

For those who may be curious, I’ll digress a moment. The Third Commandment does not say: “Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.” Not only is it beneath Yahweh to write such a trivial thing in stone, his name isn’t “the Lord.” A name can’t be “taken,” and “vain” means either egotistical as it relates to a person, or failed as it relates to an endeavor. In that the line was meaningless, Jews, and later Christians, falsely assumed that our Creator was telling us that they shouldn’t swear or say, “Yahweh.”

The Commandment as it was actually written in Hebrew says something that is vital to our very survival: “You shall not accept or advance in the name or character of Yahweh, your deity, anything that is deceptive or destructive.” Our failure to understand this Commandment and live by it is the reason Holy Wars are fought. Our tolerance of things that purport to be godly, but are instead false and destructive, is why Islam exists. It is why Muslim militants kill us. It is why the world is, and has been, in such a horrible mess.

[Chi-Town Lady]

"Well put. I'm glad to see that there are more of my fellow freeepers who see the cult for what it really is."

Does anyone have any idea as to how this "religion" could be stripped of it's status and put where it belongs, in the cult category?

[Atlantic Friend]

During the Crusade against the Albigeois - and in fact during every Crusade.
During the Wars of Religion that devastated Germany, and many places in Europe.
During the pogroms in Russia and Eastern Europe.
During the occupation and dismemberment of Yugoslavia from 1941 to 1944.
During the Irish troubles
During the ex-Yugoslavia civil war.