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US asks private sector to ease bullet shortage
Financial Times ^ | May 26, 2004 | Christopher Bowe

Posted on 05/26/2004 6:53:33 PM PDT by NCjim

Even in the age of unmanned aerial vehicles, satellite-guided bombs and night-vision goggles, the US army cannot fight a war without its most basic necessity: bullets.

And with more troops in Iraq, more intense combat than expected and the need for almost every soldier from frontline infantryman to rearguard logistician to be prepared for an ambush, the army suddenly finds itself in a bullet crunch.

According to a requisition last week by the Army Field Support Command, the service will need 300m to 500m more bullets a year for at least five years, or more than 1.5m a year for combat and training. And because the single army-owned, small-calibre ammunition factory in Lake City, Missouri, can produce only 1.2m bullets annually, the army is suddenly scrambling to get private defence contractors to help fill the gap.

The bullet problem has its roots in a Pentagon effort to restock its depleted war materiel reserve. But it has been exacerbated by the ongoing operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, where rearguard and supply units have been thinly-stretched throughout the countryside, occasionally without active duty combat soldiers to protect them.

The army's formal solicitation acknowledges that its current m anufacturing abilities have been all but exhausted. "Increasing military contingencies have created a situation where the capability to produce small calibre ammunition through conventional methods has been fully exercised," it said.

Specifically, the army is looking for 300m more bullets annually, potentially rising to 500m a year.

Alliant Techsystems, which runs the army-owned factory in Lake City, is in talks with the military about remedying the bullet production shortage, insisting it could expand output by 200m to 300m a year.

General Dynamics, the US defence contractor which submitted its proposed solution on Tuesday, said it had pulled together several small bullet suppliers - including Winchester, a unit of Olin Corporation; Israel Military Industries; and Canada's SNC Technologies - to meet the army's gap.

"We're using so much ammunition in Iraq there isn't enough capacity around," said Eric Hugel, a defence industry analyst at Sephens Inc. "They have to go internationally."


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KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; supplylines
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To: NCjim
I was issued 12 rounds of 9mm ammo during Desert Storm. Six rounds for each 15 rd clip of my FN 9mm. Was threatened with a court martial when my wife sent me 2 boxes of 9mm ammo in the mail.

Seems the Saudis needed all the 9mm ammo for celebrating with their Sterlings.

21 posted on 05/26/2004 7:39:10 PM PDT by Feckless
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To: Buffalo Head
The government owns the ammunition production facility in Lake City, Missouri but private industry operates it.

Thank you. That is a little better. Not much though. I can see the logic but still... call it a knee-jerk reaction from a black souled Adam Smith capitalist.

22 posted on 05/26/2004 7:40:34 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Stalin's grave is just another communist plot.)
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To: Shooter 2.5; *bang_list

Bullet alert.


23 posted on 05/26/2004 7:41:46 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems.)
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To: NCjim

This article is talking about the UK not the US military.


24 posted on 05/26/2004 7:43:19 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: NCjim

BLOAT. (Should have listened to us)


25 posted on 05/26/2004 7:45:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: inflation

Read post #24 before you go off on Rumsfeld.


26 posted on 05/26/2004 7:46:31 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin
This article is talking about the UK not the US military.

Are you sure about that?

27 posted on 05/26/2004 7:48:55 PM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: MediaMole
...it would be better if they gave the troops powder and primers as well, maybe in some sort of self-contained cartridge.

Oh, please. What are you going to do, stuff them in little tubes of extruded brass?

Dang kids. Flintlocks were good enough for me, but you guys gotta get fancy.

28 posted on 05/26/2004 7:49:02 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: John Lenin

First, I didn't go off on anyone and second the US is mentioned several times in the article. The article, however, was written by the FT of London. ;->


29 posted on 05/26/2004 7:49:44 PM PDT by inflation (Cuba = BAD, China = Good? Why, should not both be treated the way Cuba is?)
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To: NCjim

Makes me contemplate if we should have gone to a 7.62 x 39 round. There is an ample supply to be taken from the enemy.


30 posted on 05/26/2004 7:50:02 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Feckless

What I have to say about that would get me suspended. Grrrr.


31 posted on 05/26/2004 7:51:25 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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To: NCjim

The Government bans the private sector from owning military style firearms, the private sector stops producing military style ammo to sell to the private sector.

Actions have consequences.

The idiots in Congress don't understand that.


32 posted on 05/26/2004 7:53:11 PM PDT by Chewbacca (Pro-Choice/Abortion = Death penalty for the innocent.)
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To: Chewbacca

BPOTT (best post of the thread)


33 posted on 05/26/2004 7:54:12 PM PDT by umgud (speaking strictly as an infidel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
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To: oceanview
but isn't alot of our ammo specialized? who in the private sector makes ammo for AC130 guns, or the guns on the Bradleys?

Lake City (in Independence, MO) makes small arms ammo, up to and including 20mm cannon.

I used to do some work out there. The place is amazing... The first time I walked through one of their 5.56mm production lines, I had just gotten my Dillon 550 reloading press, and while I was pretty good with it, seeing the machines they have out there was awe inspiring.

Interestingly enough, the 7.62 machines they've got out there have been modified from .30-06/WWII vintage, and are a bit slower than the newer machines, but (at least 10 years ago) they NEVER broke down.

Mark

34 posted on 05/26/2004 7:54:43 PM PDT by MarkL (The meek shall inherit the earth... But usually in plots 6' x 3' x 6' deep...)
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To: NCjim

Yep, bet we outsourced that too..


35 posted on 05/26/2004 7:57:10 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: John Lenin
This article is talking about the UK not the US military.

Huh? The article specifically mentions the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant, which is in Independence, MO, and supplies the US military.

Mark

36 posted on 05/26/2004 7:58:12 PM PDT by MarkL (The meek shall inherit the earth... But usually in plots 6' x 3' x 6' deep...)
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To: NCjim

Here's an 'assault weapon ban' take on this.

If every family in America owned an AR-15 there would be plenty of privately owned manufacturers of .223 ammo to pick up the slack.

9mm ammo is in plentiful supply in America thanks to it's wide popularity. I buy 300-500 rounds a month.


37 posted on 05/26/2004 7:59:09 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Not sure how I feel about the army owning factories in the first place. Just seems wrong somehow.

You've never owned a Springfield Armory M1903 or M1 Garand have you? Some of the finest military produced rifles of their day. And the plants were darned efficient, too. At it's peak in WWII, SA was putting out almost 90,000 M1 Garands a month.

38 posted on 05/26/2004 7:59:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: inflation

How hard is it to add a second or third shift ? The way you talk we should get rid of 'the current administration'.


39 posted on 05/26/2004 7:59:57 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: NCjim

The free market always fixes these things. I'm not sure why that's a hard concept to understand, but the handwringers and fingerpointers don't.


40 posted on 05/26/2004 8:01:40 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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