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HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST
John J. Ray ^ | unknown | John J. Ray (M.A.; Ph.D.)

Posted on 05/27/2004 6:32:13 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican

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To: RedBloodedAmerican; ECM; Enterprise; CrazyIvan; randog; COEXERJ145; Old Sarge; sergeantdave; ...
Here's a good thumbnail synopsis (I picked this up off the Web some time ago):

If a leader were to arise -- a man who was a vegetarian; a radical environmentalist; a tea-drinking, nature worshiping, anti-smoking fanatic; a socialist; a proponent of abortion and of medical research utilizing fetal tissue; a man who would outlaw speech and ideas that he didn't approve of; an animal rights activist; a controversial artist and writer; a pagan who's harshest rhetoric was directed against Jews and Christians -- he could rise quickly to the leadership of the Green Party. Indeed, such a man would find few critics among Democrats, and would be welcomed by the faculty of most colleges. Such a man did once exist, and did become the leader of a modern nation only a few decades ago. That man was Adolph Hitler.

51 posted on 05/27/2004 11:05:49 AM PDT by SpyGuy
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To: SpyGuy

I'm going to have to register at DU just to post that on their site.


52 posted on 05/27/2004 11:16:09 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: SpyGuy

Frightening. Could it happen?

Thank you, I'll save that one.


53 posted on 05/27/2004 11:17:13 AM PDT by Old Sarge (It's not Bush's fault - It's THE MEDIA'S fault!)
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To: SpyGuy
The problem with that sort of list is that the items NOT on the list may be as important. That Hitler was a socialist should be recognized by all. That 'such a man would find few critics among Democrats' ignores the issue of the characteristics not listed. Saying, 'That man was Adolph Hitler' denies those unlisted characteristics even exist. Those are false arguments in the same way that pointing at some wheels and a muffler and saying, 'that is a Mercedes 500SL' is false.

On the other hand, it's enough in my mind to recognize that he was indeed a socialist. Though a simple list begs the question, it is still a fact - as Hayek showed - that socialists inevitably become the monsters that Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao became. So the rest of the list - all of it, including the things not in your excerpt - follows from that one characteristic of being a socialist.
54 posted on 05/27/2004 11:21:12 AM PDT by Gorjus
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To: Gorjus
Yes, everyone should recognize Hitler was in fact a socialist.

However, how many times have you been in a discussion, tried to refute someone with facts, and been ignored or dismissed? The left in this country operates under the same mindset, aided and abetted by faux intellectualism that is passed off as critical thinking by our educational system.

55 posted on 05/27/2004 11:29:18 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: Reeses

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If anything, conservatives should be represented as blue. That and blue is also my favorite color. ;-)


56 posted on 05/27/2004 11:32:38 AM PDT by David1
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To: Gorjus

Good point. Thanks


57 posted on 05/27/2004 11:40:20 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Theres no doubt that the Nazi Party was obviously very socialist during its growth in the 20's and early 30's. However, after coming to power, Hitler didn't want to upset the Conservative military and economic leaders of Germany. So this forced him to make the Nazis less socialist, hence the dissolving of the SA.


58 posted on 05/27/2004 1:14:38 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: SpyGuy

Great synopsis, a keeper. Thanks!


59 posted on 05/27/2004 3:03:07 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: SpyGuy
Yes, it really is shocking to tell a Lefty that. They just don't believe it.

Another neat thing about this paragraph that I've used with preachy vegetarians before when they try to beat you over the head with the morality of vegetarianism. I tell them "Hitler was a vegetarian and Jesus Christ ate meat". It kinda ruins their day.

60 posted on 05/27/2004 3:49:37 PM PDT by keithtoo (Please remove all Kerry-on luggage from your forehead compartments.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Thank you for posting this. Bookmarked for future reference.


61 posted on 05/27/2004 3:53:59 PM PDT by adaven
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To: antiRepublicrat
You got it. Some years ago I shuttled railroad crews from place to place for a transportation company. Almost all of them were dems and badly union brainwashed. They were complaining about some imagined injustice the company had visited upon them and brainstorming for a slogan for their union objection. I suggested "Workers of the world unite!" They thought it was a grand idea! I wonder if anyone ever told them.
62 posted on 05/27/2004 6:56:53 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Death before dishonor, open bar after 6:00)
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To: CrazyIvan

Classic!


63 posted on 05/28/2004 7:24:17 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: SpyGuy

Great post!


64 posted on 05/28/2004 7:52:39 AM PDT by jcb8199
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To: american colleen

Yep i told you ;)


65 posted on 06/01/2004 7:41:17 AM PDT by DM1
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Nice post!


66 posted on 06/01/2004 7:57:16 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: DM1
Welcome back!

I hate it when you say "I told you..." ;-)

67 posted on 06/01/2004 10:10:22 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Hitler is dead. All that stuff died with him.


68 posted on 06/01/2004 10:13:38 AM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: american colleen

"Welcome back!"
well thank you it is wonderful to be back (sort of)
how was yesterday did it fall apart without yours truly?


69 posted on 06/01/2004 10:16:15 AM PDT by DM1
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To: DM1
Well Jon went into the usual panic mode and called me to come in earlier than usual (what IS my schedule, anyway??) once Caroline called in at 3:20 and Brian had to take the company car and change the tapes in the WB building.

He was left with Agnes. Nuf said.

Yep, we missed your hard working republican mentality.

Hope you had fun with your nutzo soon to be b-i-l and his umm... girlfriend(?). Bet you were glad to come back and put your sweater back on.

70 posted on 06/01/2004 11:52:01 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Michael81Dus

Ping to an article regarding our conversations on Left vs. Right.


71 posted on 06/01/2004 1:09:43 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (A vote for JF'nK is a vote for Peace in our Time!)
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To: jerod

And what does N.A.Z.I. stand for? LOL. Excuse me, but the National-Socialist Workers Party is abbreviated NSDAP (National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter-Partei). Nazi is the short term for National-Socialists, but Na-So sounded "too weak" for the partymembers, that´s why they used the "zi" from the word "Sozialistische". Ya see? :)


72 posted on 06/01/2004 1:30:54 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: An.American.Expatriate

Nah... this is about far right and far left. My theory is, that if you´re getting more extreme, there will be at one point no freedom at all, and that´s exactly the point where there´s no difference between the extreme Left and the extreme Right (kind of circle).


73 posted on 06/01/2004 1:32:44 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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bttt


74 posted on 07/22/2004 6:53:39 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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bttt


75 posted on 10/21/2004 8:20:37 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

OF COURSE HE WAS!!!

BTTT for devouring (with a side of anticipation)


76 posted on 10/21/2004 8:25:23 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: CatoRenasci

Yawn. Is there really anyone who doesn't know Hitler was a socialist? >>>>

Yes, most democrats, the msm, school teachers, etc.


77 posted on 06/18/2005 10:28:23 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isiah 5:20-21)
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bttt


78 posted on 03/31/2006 3:26:12 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

BUMP


79 posted on 04/18/2006 12:16:05 PM PDT by kitkat (The first step down to hell is to deny the existence of evil.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

I thought Hitler was a Democrat?


80 posted on 04/18/2006 12:24:48 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Gorjus

Kinda like the welfarism/warfarism of the last hundred years of the two main parties that Hayek warned us about?

See this folks:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1617151/posts


81 posted on 04/18/2006 12:32:34 PM PDT by Marxbites (Freedom is the negation of Govt to the maximum extent possible. Today, Govt is the economy's virus.)
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To: Coleus

BTW, a recent poll showed that the majority of Americans can't even name the three branches that govern them.

Arrrrrgggghhh!!!!


82 posted on 04/18/2006 12:35:40 PM PDT by Marxbites (Freedom is the negation of Govt to the maximum extent possible. Today, Govt is the economy's virus.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Couldn't find this posted on FR.

Posted this AM.

You might want to read this:

Hitler Was a Socialist

53 posted on 04/18/2006 5:15:59 AM EDT by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

posted on 04/18/2006 5:15:59 AM EDT
83 posted on 04/18/2006 12:59:07 PM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Ping for later reading


84 posted on 04/18/2006 1:27:28 PM PDT by Ignatz (Freeper cyborg: "The lay teachers could not make hands of some girls.")
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
An excellent analysis--extremely valuable for nailing down the essential reality involved. I see you posted this almost two years ago, but I did not see it until today. It goes into great detail, and shows outstanding research, citing far more phenomena than my own far briefer analysis to the same effect in the Seventh Chapter of the Conservative Debate Handbook:

The Lies of Socialism.

I would recommend my much shorter list of points, however, to anyone who seeks a succinct way of getting the obvious message across.

William Flax

85 posted on 04/18/2006 1:48:22 PM PDT by Ohioan
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After reading this article I was somewhat surprised about the obvious. Hitler a Socialist. But then I was less impressed about the article after thinking about it.

Even tho some folks here my have a dread and loathing of Socialism that was NOT the aspect of Hitler's rule that killed so many people.

The over looked, often deliberately overlooked and mostly conveniently left out issue here is FASCISM.

FASCISM is NOT the same thing as Socialism. Fascism can exist and does exist in any form of government. It exists with in Socialism, Communism, Democracies and of course dictatorships. It is a thought process - not a government.

Fascism:is a radical authoritarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, totalitarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.
so says - Benito Mussolini <----- he should know.

There are definite signs that fascism is on the rise in the United States.

http://www.bigrob66.info/blog/archives/000121.html

This link is an interesting descriptor of the signs of fascism in any culture.

Hitler was a Socialist - ask any German about Hitler and they will point out - "on the positive side - he made the trains run on time."

But is was FASCISM that was his killer side.


86 posted on 08/15/2006 7:30:09 AM PDT by Secularist2 (Thomas Jefferson was a Secularist)
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Benito Mussolini <----- he should know.

Mussolini started as a hard core Communist, but he didn't like the uniforms.

87 posted on 08/15/2006 7:34:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

BOOMP!

88 posted on 08/15/2006 3:09:45 PM PDT by MrEdd (More cheep than a flock of baby chickens.)
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To: PJ-Comix
Hey PJ, Do you think if this was posted on DU they might delete their entire forum in their haste to escape from it?
~ also It's a good read, and the most compact presentation I have read with all this information.
89 posted on 08/15/2006 3:38:11 PM PDT by MrEdd (More cheep than a flock of baby chickens.)
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Hitler is dead. All that stuff died with him. no it didn't, hitler's legacy is alive and well in the hearts and minds of islamofascists
90 posted on 01/18/2011 2:50:40 AM PST by alexbg
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To: RedBloodedAmerican; mewzilla

BTTT.


91 posted on 08/01/2011 6:11:14 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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