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To the terrorists,the U.S. is New York
NY Daily News ^ | 5/27/04

Posted on 05/27/2004 6:51:15 AM PDT by areafiftyone

For all the cautious nonspecificity, the announcement still hits like a hammer: There is "credible evidence" from "multiple sources" that Al Qaeda intends to unleash mayhem in the U.S. in the "next few months." Not that this is a bolt out of the blue: It has been an article of faith that Al Qaeda means further harm. All the same, Attorney General John Ashcroft's warning was as sobering as things get. There's a big hit brewing. Here it comes. Soon.

Where? When? Who knows? Mayor Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly fast reported that they have no information that New York is on any immediate hit list. But Ashcroft spoke in general of "especially attractive targets," which include this summer's Republican National Convention at Madison Square Garden, as well as the Democratic soiree in Boston, next month's G-8 summit in Georgia and this weekend's World War II memorial ceremony in Washington.

Those events will come and go, but New York will remain the globe's "especially attractive" target. To radical Islamic fundamentalists, New York is America itself. Indeed, here is where World War III began: Historians may someday regard Feb. 26, 1993, the date of the first World Trade Center attack, as the official beginning of this war. Unless it was the night 2-1/2 years earlier when radical Rabbi Meir Kahane was shot dead in midtown.

The enemy succeeded in bringing down the towers after all. And then he went after the Brooklyn Bridge, his plot to cut the suspension cables disrupted by too much police presence. And only blind luck prevented the murderous bombing of a busy Brooklyn subway station. We would be fools to think Al Qaeda has no further plans for New York. Consider the dire contents of an NYPD document prepared five months ago:



TOPICS: Editorial; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; jihadinamerica; nyc; targets

1 posted on 05/27/2004 6:51:17 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

My only problem with this is calling the war on terror WWIII. I would consider that the cold war and this WWIV.

Just being nitpicky, I guess. Don't know who gets to decide these things.


2 posted on 05/27/2004 6:54:02 AM PDT by dyed_in_the_wool (Why do Al Qaeda and DNC press releases always sound the same?)
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
" I would consider that the cold war and this WWIV. Just being nitpicky"

Dittos, Admiral Woolsey would agree...

3 posted on 05/27/2004 7:01:18 AM PDT by blackbag (trust no one)
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To: areafiftyone
Don't worry - they have Hillary and Chucky - they will protect NYC!
4 posted on 05/27/2004 7:01:18 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: areafiftyone

We went thru the same kind of alerts last summer. And the summer before that.

It is one thing for the govt/Admin to CYA, but crying wolf and then telling the populace to go about their normal business doesn't create a vote of confidence that the Homeland Security Department is handling things very efficiently.

The vague alerts don't help. Either shut up or give us real information.


5 posted on 05/27/2004 7:06:08 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: areafiftyone

This is all a farce and just a plot by the administration ot take attention off of Iraq. At least this is what some of the Rats are saying and they would not lie. WOULD THEY?


6 posted on 05/27/2004 7:06:12 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: areafiftyone

That's not surprising, considering that to New Yorkers, the US is New York too.


7 posted on 05/27/2004 7:06:14 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: areafiftyone

I had FoxNews on mute--

Just noticed a LIVE Ashcroft appearance about arrest of Hamza in Oregon.


8 posted on 05/27/2004 7:09:23 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: mvpel
I agree with your sentiments.

Which, once again, raises the matter of all those federal homeland-security dollars we are losing to various states.

The real crux of the article, IMO.

9 posted on 05/27/2004 7:11:07 AM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: areafiftyone
The Republican National Convention has to be the target of choice if we are going to be attacked this year. If at all possible, the attack would actually kill our President, but there will be numerous "high-value targets" at the convention and in the New York area.

And even if no political figures are killed, any attack is certain to cause maximum political impact on the election, and none of us can be absolutely certain that the American public will react with a strong show of support for Bush.

10 posted on 05/27/2004 7:13:49 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: areafiftyone
Oregon lawyer Brandon Mayfield was linked to the Madrid train bombings until it turned out that, whoops, he wasn't involved at all.

I missed it. What happened to this case?

11 posted on 05/27/2004 7:15:21 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: mvpel

>>"considering that to NY'ers NY is the US too">>>>

LOL They do give that impression, don't they!


12 posted on 05/27/2004 7:16:41 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: js1138
Here is an article from Fox News Brandon Mayfield Freed
13 posted on 05/27/2004 7:18:45 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: areafiftyone

I agree, NY is the most likely target, but there's always LA (Hollywood especially) that would be a tasty target for these rats. And you have that nice, wide, pourous border just south of it, where a friggin' battalion of Muslims can march through with no one the wiser.


14 posted on 05/27/2004 7:19:31 AM PDT by theDentist (John Kerry never saw a TAX he wouldn't HIKE !!!)
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To: 2banana
Don't worry - they have Hillary and Chucky - they will protect NYC!

You are going to make me puke. UGH!

15 posted on 05/27/2004 7:21:29 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: TomGuy
>crying wolf and then telling the populace to go about their normal business doesn't create a vote of confidence

Our top generals
are getting re-assigned and
suspended. The press

continues attacks
on our soldiers. In Iraq,
the military

is always seeking
to "negotiate" hot spots . . .
Why would terrorists

want to attack now?
They would gain nothing, and lose
the Left's sympathy.

16 posted on 05/27/2004 7:21:52 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: areafiftyone

That doesn't help a whole lot.


17 posted on 05/27/2004 7:24:39 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
My only problem with this is calling the war on terror WWIII. I would consider that the cold war and this WWIV.

I would argue that the entire 20th century was in effect, one long continuous war, starting in 1914 with the collapse of the old European order, followed by a 20-year armistace, followed by the six-year hell of "WW II," which was then follwed by the 50-year Cold War. In each case, the renewed hostilities grew out of unresolved issues from the previous ones. At root, it pitted authoritarian/totalitarian political systems against self-determining democracies and republics. Freedom triumphed, but at enormous costs, both economic and social. I would appropriate the term "Great War", now used to refer solely to the first 4 years of it, and apply it to the entirety of that titanic struggle.

The new "War on Terror," although pre-saged by other incidents, started on September 11, 2001 and is somewhat different; it largely grew out of the establishment of the state of Israel in 1947 and reflects the Islamic Third World's resentment of their inferior economic and cultural status. It is a wholly new and different type of war, so much so that many supposedly intelligent commentators actually question whether it's a war at all.

18 posted on 05/27/2004 7:28:36 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: areafiftyone

Mayor Bloomberg is being willfully ignorant if he has NOT stepped up the intelligence efforts within the city. Not only ignorant, but stupid as well. Has that accursed RINO so permitted his judgment to be colored by his hatred for the Bush Administratiion, that he would resist any co-operation with the Federal authorities altogether? There is a problem, and he is not being part of the solution.

Bloomberg is no Rudy Giuliani, and should a major hit fall on NYC, he will show an incredible degree of incompetence, both at the time of the occurrence and for the aftermath.

Is there some way we can take the administration on NYC AWAY from this jerkheimer, BEFORE he finds himself in way over his head?


19 posted on 05/27/2004 7:32:29 AM PDT by alloysteel (Live well and prosper. Beam me up, Scottie....)
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To: Piquaboy

I think they may be right! I also think its a pretty smart election ploy. People need to be reminded of the big picture. I may not be a huge fan of the Iraq war, but we do need to be reminded that attacks on US soil are not over and that defense of the homeland should be paramount in our voting considerations. I expect we'll see more of these 'alerts' through the summer. Expect the threat level to be elevated and perhaps great attention given to a 'just in time arrest' in September. Rove has this all planned out.


20 posted on 05/27/2004 7:34:11 AM PDT by Huntingtonian
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To: js1138

The Daily News is stating their own personal opinion as fact, as the so-called mainstream press so frequently does. It's true that Mayfield has been freed for now, however, this is yet a far cry from "he had nothing to do with it". There are still gag orders in place all around, a pending grand jury which may be weighing an indictment, and the ticklish little matter of exactly how his fingerprints ended up on a bag full of detonators in Spain.


21 posted on 05/27/2004 7:36:04 AM PDT by jpl ("You can go to a restaurant in New York City and meet a foreign leader."- John Kerry)
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To: alloysteel

If we get hit again and he is as incompetant as I think he is - NYers will be out in the streets demanding his resignation. I know I will. But for now we are stuck with him until the next mayoral re-election. I just don't feel safe with this guy.


22 posted on 05/27/2004 7:36:47 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: theDentist


Hollywood a targe? Let me think about that....


23 posted on 05/27/2004 7:37:08 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: theDentist


Ooops! That's "target," of course.


24 posted on 05/27/2004 7:38:32 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib

I was thinking perhaps the N Y Times building?


25 posted on 05/27/2004 7:40:03 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her genes.....any volunteers?)
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To: jpl
It's true that Mayfield has been freed for now, however, this is yet a far cry from "he had nothing to do with it".

That's the impression I get. So are the fingerprints still his, or was that a misidentification?

26 posted on 05/27/2004 7:43:07 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: Dog Gone

I would support a covert "switch" of the convention to another place that they could secure, like the rink in Long Island...


27 posted on 05/27/2004 7:48:43 AM PDT by bitt
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To: kittymyrib

From a Muslim perspective, I bet Hollywood is the definition of decadence.


28 posted on 05/27/2004 7:50:54 AM PDT by theDentist (John Kerry never saw a TAX he wouldn't HIKE !!!)
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To: raybbr
Wait a minute. Twenty-six months after WTC I (1993), a terrorist attack rocked Oklahoma City. From all of the media coverage of the trials, I have found some things very interesting.

(1) First, I have no doubt that the accused and convicted are guilty. But I doubt that they are the only guilty parties.

(2) There was a Philippine "mail-order bride" presumably of one of the killers involved. Apparently she, and perhaps one or the other or both bombers traveled and otherwise communicated back and forth to the Philippines. Ramzi Yousef (apparently tied to Iraq and guilty of WTC I) fled to the Philippines. Is there any connection? I don't know.

(3) Apparently there is an unnamed, unindicted co-conspirator frequently sighted with one, another, or both of the convicted conspirators. He is described by numerous witnesses as dark and black-haird--but never "black" or "African-American." This suggests either an American Indian, East Asian, Hispanic, or Arab. Based upon what I've seen and heard, might this person be a Muslim terrorist?

Just a few thoughts. Certainly raises the prospect of al-Qaida attacks outside New York.
29 posted on 05/27/2004 7:52:30 AM PDT by dufekin (John F. Kerry. Irrational, improvident, backward, seditious.)
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To: alloysteel
Is there some way we can take the administration on NYC AWAY from this jerkheimer (Bloomingidiot), BEFORE he finds himself in way over his head?

Pssst! He already is in way over his head...

NYPD no-show at immig bust

30 posted on 05/27/2004 7:59:55 AM PDT by Gritty ("Liberals always claim to know exactly what to do as soon as it's too late"-Ann Coulter)
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To: js1138

Hmmm, after further research it looks like it was a misidentification. I jumped the gun on that one big time, sorry.


31 posted on 05/27/2004 8:15:16 AM PDT by jpl ("You can go to a restaurant in New York City and meet a foreign leader."- John Kerry)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

32 posted on 05/27/2004 8:16:36 AM PDT by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John Fin al-Qerry)
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To: ken5050

Why would they attack their propaganda arm?


33 posted on 05/27/2004 8:21:11 AM PDT by correctthought (Shop smart, shop S-mart.)
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To: mvpel

shut up


34 posted on 05/27/2004 8:21:20 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: correctthought
Right??!?

I worry about Houston.

35 posted on 05/27/2004 8:32:29 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: firebrand
The New York times, in the wake of the Northeast blackout, had a headline of "A Nation Blacked Out" when 8 out of 50 states were involved, affecting fewer than 25% of the population of the United States.
36 posted on 05/27/2004 9:14:24 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: hellinahandcart; NYC GOP Chick; firebrand; Oschisms; Cacique; Clemenza; alisasny; cyborg

Ping.


37 posted on 05/27/2004 9:50:35 AM PDT by sauropod (Paleo-cons make better lovers)
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To: mvpel

You beat me to it. I was going to post the very same thing. New York, DC and Hollywood seem to think they are the only people in the US that count.


38 posted on 05/27/2004 10:11:05 AM PDT by arjay ("I don't do bumper stickers." Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: dufekin

Apparently there is an unnamed, unindicted co-conspirator frequently sighted with one, another, or both of the convicted conspirators



You need to read "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis. It will remove ALL doubt about who the eight Iraqi soldiers were who blew up the OKC Federal Building with the assistance of two Americans.

It is obvious what happened in OKC. And the 9-11 commission isn't going to tell you.


39 posted on 05/27/2004 10:18:53 AM PDT by BILL_C
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To: areafiftyone
Th major events of the summer are going to be secured out the wazoo, an attack there is what is expected. If I were a terrorist I would plan and execute attacks at malls, sporting events and schools. As they do in Israel. You want to really thro the average American into panic and choas? People can avoid big major events, only political leaders will be at the conventions. In a representative system you don't have to kill the leaders, just their constituents.

I worry a little, here in Indianapolis the home of the largest sporting event in the world 3 days from now.

40 posted on 05/27/2004 10:31:35 AM PDT by kjvail (Light 'em up George!!!!)
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To: txflake
I'd worry about any population center. What annoys me to no end are the NY'ers (Mind you I live and own a home in NYC) who bellyache and have no sense of proportion on how vital it is for us to win this war, the rest of the world opinion be d*mned.

For myself, I'd like move to New Hampshire if I could get my wife on board with the idea. Houston seems nice (never been there though) but the property taxes look outrageous.

41 posted on 05/27/2004 10:37:48 AM PDT by correctthought (Shop smart, shop S-mart.)
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To: kjvail
No, I don't think we'll panic except for the left wing panty wastes. I think we'll be even more pissed. Hopefully we'll never have to put my theory to a test.

-ct

42 posted on 05/27/2004 10:40:09 AM PDT by correctthought (Shop smart, shop S-mart.)
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To: firebrand
shut up

Thank you! I'm sick and tired of all this NY bashing. Maybe these people would like it if we were to get attacked again -- might put us in our place, right?

43 posted on 05/27/2004 7:26:49 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (It all looks fine to the naked eye, but it don't really happen that way at all.)
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To: sauropod

I do worry about an attack taking place, what with Nurse Picknose in charge here. He'd probably make some snotty remarks about the terrorists and think he's done his job...


44 posted on 05/27/2004 7:28:36 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (It all looks fine to the naked eye, but it don't really happen that way at all.)
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To: Cincinatus
The new "War on Terror," although pre-saged by other incidents, started on September 11, 2001 and is somewhat different

I would argue your earlier premise, that the current war is an outgrowth of the previous war. The Cold War (or WW III, as some of us like to call it) produced Vietnam, which gave a rise to radical liberalism, which fostered energy policies that prevented domestic exploitation of our own resources. This liberalism also was responsible for a "hands off" approach when Islamunists appropriated our resources by nationalizing American oil companies properties overseas.

In short, if we'd have kicked butt quickly in Nam, we would have been able to have the national will to kick Arab butt, and we wouldn't have ragheads with riches to contend with. Also, we funded some pretty unsavory characters in that part of the world in order to beat the Soviets, and that's coming back to bite us in the arse today. Clearly, the Islamofacists see our handling of Vietnam to be their blueprint for victory today.

45 posted on 05/27/2004 7:45:02 PM PDT by hunter112
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To: NYC GOP Chick
The farther away people are from New York City, the funnier they get about the big joke of the possibility of our being destroyed, and the more they want to gut the Patriot Act.

If NYC goes, the whole economy goes, so start planting your gardens and digging your root cellars out there in the heartland.

46 posted on 05/28/2004 8:09:45 AM PDT by firebrand
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