[Mulder]

And we must be able to protect ourselves

California's gun laws do suck, but if you live in a rural county with a decent sheriff, you can probably get a carry permit.

And if you can get one, there are very few places in CA that are "off-limits" for carrying. That's probably the only area where CA gun laws are actually better than those is most states (other states have far more "off-limit" places).

[Monty22]

Being buddies with the local cops is no way to run a system.

[garandgal]

Iowa is like that, too. It depends on the Sheriff. In the most populated county it used to be virtually impossible to get a carry permit. They were only issued to the Sheriff's buddies; or possibly if you could prove a VERY good reason.

Hw finally retired, and we have a new Sheriff who has a "will issue" attitude. If you don't have a criminal background, he will approve your permit. Notable...because he is a staunch DEM. Surprising, huh?