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We Bombed the Wrong Side in Kosovo
G2mil ^ | Summer 2004 | Carlton Meyer

Posted on 05/29/2004 12:24:36 PM PDT by Destro

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The last American officer to leave should tell his Serbian replacement: Sorry about all this, it was our mistake. Good luck and good bye.
1 posted on 05/29/2004 12:24:36 PM PDT by Destro
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To: *balkans

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2 posted on 05/29/2004 12:25:35 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro

About time someone else saw what I've been trying to get across for years.


3 posted on 05/29/2004 12:52:03 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: Destro

Slobo understood the threat that islamofascists posed firsthand and was doing something about it.


4 posted on 05/29/2004 12:53:52 PM PDT by festus
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To: festus

You are absolutely right. Clinton wanted to be politically correct and make the Islamofascists like us. What a moron !!


6 posted on 05/29/2004 12:59:56 PM PDT by Pedrobud (CNN sucks , so do the French !!)
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To: Destro
While the Bush Administration dances around their lies about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction used to justify the conquest of Iraq,...

Is Saran and mustard gas sold over the counter now?

7 posted on 05/29/2004 1:08:16 PM PDT by Bommer (John Kerry = "You mean I can get a Purple Heart for cutting myself shaving?")
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To: Destro
The first time I heard the real truth about Serbia was a couple of years ago when Michael Medved pointed out some of these same things.

Although Medved is Jewish, his ancestors came from Serbia. He still seemed to be loyal to Serbia.

I aree, we attacked the wrong people on phony charges and now are too dishonest to admit we are wrong. Bill Clinton is mainly at fault but George Bush has continued the policy.

8 posted on 05/29/2004 1:09:43 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Destro

Dumont's arrival in July 2002 should have raised red flags. He was put on an international wanted list in 1999 after escaping from a Sarajevo prison, where he was serving a 20-year sentence for the murder of a Bosnian policeman during a robbery. He was in Bosnia fighting alongside other Muslims.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1144474/posts


9 posted on 05/29/2004 1:10:01 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: Destro

You're right. We were on the wrong side. But I'm sure the EU still thinks we were on the right side.


10 posted on 05/29/2004 1:21:53 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Destro

You wouldn't want Bill Clinton to bomb his future political constituents, would you?


11 posted on 05/29/2004 1:26:43 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Destro

There is no doubt that the reasons given for the NATO attack were wrong. Serbia was just trying to hold the country together.

I am wondering if the real reason was to get NATO bases in Kosovo since it is the flashpoint between Islam and Europe. This relieves pressure on Russia to protect Serbia, which was what started WWI.


12 posted on 05/29/2004 1:39:51 PM PDT by OK
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To: Destro
The really sad and stupid thing about it is the US will probably have to go back to Kosovo to clean up the mess made those fools in the Clinton adminstration. All that was accomplished was to open the back door of Europe to Islamic conquest. The KLA is part of the WOT.
13 posted on 05/29/2004 1:43:18 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Destro

I have never heard of Carlton Meyer or G2mil, but it appears to be a liberal website, at least to me.

From the letters to the editor section has one revealing entry from a former marine. The reply from Meyer is not his complete answer; just various comments I found of interest. Just my opinion; means nothing to anyone else.



http://www.g2mil.com/June2004Letters.htm

As a former Marine, I can appreciate problems with supply lines and possible worst case scenario’s. What I can’t appreciate and find unconscionable is the fact that a former Marine is writing articles that are then mailed out to the most liberal mailing list I have ever seen. My uncle in California is on that list and forwarded me this article. Statements like “Iraqis show little gratitude since the United States caused most of the damage with bombings and a ten-year trade embargo.” are a typical twisting of the true state of affairs – that true state being that Saddam Hussein raped his own country to build palaces instead of investing in infrastructure. That he placed his own comforts first and failed to provide for his people.

The worst part is, supposing that you wanted to clarify your statements, is that you can't reach these people on the list – anything positive you might have to say just wont be sent to the list. Instead of your article in between something from MoveOn.org and an article praising Michael Moore, they will stick someone else, some other MARINE CORP EXPERT that seems to say that what we are doing is wrong, that the war is unwinnable.
Scott Kelley



Ed: All the "Saddam is a demon" propaganda has confused reality. Iraqi women could go to school, drive cars, and wear Western dress only because the Baathists forced Muslim men to accept progress. Meanwhile, the US openly funded terrorists in Iraq, especially the Kurds in the North but also some Shiite groups, to destabilize Iraq, which took an economic toll as well.

And as for killing political opponents and suppressing the Shiites, the USA has proven far more brutal in keeping the peace in Iraq than Saddam. Possession of a Bible or preaching Christianity will land someone in jail in Saudi Arabia, while the Baathists protected Iraq's 600,000 Christians and their churches from Muslim radicals, while their foreign minister was a Christian himself.

So why does everyone assume Iraq's poor economic state is Saddam's fault? Saddam never "gassed the Kurds" as G2mil readers learned last December. I recall when Tim Russert interviewed the President a few months ago and Bush struggled to justify the unprovoked invasion of Iraq. At one point Bush said: "We all know Saddam was a madman, right Tim." The spineless interviewer responded: "Of course, Mr. President.", which is why the President chose him. You'll note there are no longer hard questions at news conferences like those posed by Sam Donaldson two decades ago. Why, because troublemakers lose their access to news conferences and free rides on Air Force 1.

Saddam was not a madman, reckless and ambitious is a better description. He was interviewed on "60 Minutes" just prior to the invasion and was lucid, polite, and was seeking some way to avoid the coming invasion.

Carlton Meyer is the editor of G2mil


14 posted on 05/29/2004 1:57:30 PM PDT by Maria S ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm."George W. Bush 1/20/01)
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To: yarddog

I'm Jewish, and I saw clearly the demonization of Serbia in the same way that I see Israel demonized. Except Serbia has no nukes, so Clinton felt free to bomb. It was disgusting, and a real eye-opener as to how quickly "liberals" will engage in genocide once they believe they have the power to get away with it.


15 posted on 05/29/2004 2:05:30 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Any "church" that can't figure out abortion and homosexuality isn't worthy of the appellation)
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To: Destro
I agree whole heartedly that we bombed the wrong side. However, he nearly ruined his article with this sh*t:

While the Bush Administration dances around their lies about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction...

16 posted on 05/29/2004 2:08:57 PM PDT by tbpiper (In memory of Spc. Ray J. Hutchinson, A Co., 2-502 Inf, 101st Airborne, Mosul Iraq, Dec. 7, 2003)
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To: Destro

Absolutely. The US and NATO should NEVER have bothered Milosevic and the Yugoslavian breakup. It was an internal matter--a civil war. As head of state, Milosevic knew what he was up against. Clintoon's interference in the internal affairs of Yugoslavia prevented Milosevic from ending the civil war. Ah, lest we forget, Clintoon needed press distraction from another erupting sexual scandals. And the matter with Milosevic provided just that regardless of all the international laws broken.


17 posted on 05/29/2004 2:10:37 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Bommer

Yeah...if it wasn't for that comment, I agree with everything. We were disussing some of this on another thread.

It's amazing what went on in this war that the media didn't cover. Bush and the US military shut down al-Sadr's anti-American rag and Kerry complains, calling Sadr a legitimate voice. I didn't hear a peep out of Kerry or the libs when Clinton intentionally targeted Serbia TV, killing 20 civilians...as they also went after more than 46 private radio/TV transmitters.

From the bombing of Train #373 to the Chinese Embassy (killing 3 people)...and the intentional targeting of "public" utilities and electrical grids (all Geneva violations), the US media and the Left reamined silent. As journalist scoured the grounds of pre/post war Iraq looking for the latest American atrocity, our mainstream media was suspiciously absent in Serbia and Kosovo...even though they were there to cover the refugee crisis (which they helped use to support this war).

Christianne Amanpour had the nerve to say that the US media was carrying the water for Bush in Iraq...when the truth is, the US and international media completely believed without reservation, everything coming out from the KLA perspective of events. From Racak to the 100,000 mass graves claim, the US media propagandized on behalf of the CLinton WH. I remember clearly how US journalists were on the ground during the refugee exodus, claiming it was a result of forced expulsion...when the truth was, people were leaving because the US/NATO bombs were coming.

Unlike Iraq, the US media didn't take us into the Serb cities and hospitals to see what a 78-day aerial bombardment can do to a country. Of course, what did we expect...it would've been called a great failure, since Slobo didn't even leave power for almost a year later, even though we thoroughly destroyed much of the civilian infrastructure. Regardless of what one thinks about the war in Kosovo/Serbia...the media treated it far different than the way they've treated the war in Iraq. A war with much clearer implications on US security.


18 posted on 05/29/2004 2:24:35 PM PDT by cwb (Liberals: Always fighting for social justice in all the wrong places.)
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To: lilylangtree

Exactly. And I always wonder how people are going to react when the time comes for the US to defend some southwest region from secession...simply because a minority population eventually attains majority status. There's a reason why the term balkanization is also now being used in American geo-politics. It's coming our way.


19 posted on 05/29/2004 2:33:54 PM PDT by cwb (Liberals: Always fighting for social justice in all the wrong places.)
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To: Destro

Seems like groups at war with each other forever have no difficulty in conning Uncle Sap to become involved and do the heavy lifting.


20 posted on 05/29/2004 2:36:23 PM PDT by ex-snook (They had their chance. Dump all incumbents who won't bring back outsourced America.)
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To: lilylangtree

['The US and NATO should NEVER have bothered Milosevic and the Yugoslavian breakup....]

Right. Milosevic's "original sin" was that he was a socialist who resisted the West's push (led mainly by Germany and the US) for the breakup of Yugoslavia as far back as 1989. He didn't want to subject Yugoslavia to the painful economic reforms of privatization, strict IMF rules, etc. that were afflicting so many of the other former Eastern-Bloc countries under communist rule.

Because of his resistance to the West, the western media painted the conflicts in the Balkans as a war of good (The Muslims) against evil (The Serbs). As such, and with strong media support, it was easy for the Clinton administration to stigmatize Serbia as a rogue nation. Unfortunately, we're (Serbs) still paying the price for this negative stigmatization.


21 posted on 05/29/2004 2:37:42 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Destro

Why hasn't Wesley Clark been called on the carpet for this?


22 posted on 05/29/2004 2:39:22 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Destro
We CLINTOON Bombed The Wrong Side in Kosovo.
23 posted on 05/29/2004 2:41:26 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: thoughtomator
It is just my opinion or maybe just a guess, but I think Clinton was trying to suck up to the Muslims by Attacking Serbia.

Perhaps he thought they would be grateful to him. If so it didn't work.

24 posted on 05/29/2004 2:44:34 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Bommer

"Is Saran and mustard gas sold over the counter now?"

Must be in Canada.Judging from this guy's rant, These substances could well be his chosen recreational inhalants.


25 posted on 05/29/2004 2:52:21 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Every functional brain in America is a threat to Kerry's Presidential aspirations.)
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To: Bommer

I quit reading the article after those words. The author of this article is an idiot.


26 posted on 05/29/2004 3:10:22 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Destro

I agree with you. Frankly, I think that President Milosevic and General Maladic were the good guys.


27 posted on 05/29/2004 3:19:59 PM PDT by neutrino (Everybody, soon or late, sits down to a banquet of consequences. Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: Destro

Bumping for a later read.


28 posted on 05/29/2004 3:38:38 PM PDT by AuntB (Lawschools are Americas Madrassas (aculeus))
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To: neutrino
I agree with you. Frankly, I think that President Milosevic and General Maladic were the good guys.

You are right, the real bad guys were Ahmed Ceku, Holbrook, Clark, Walker and mass media propagandists.

29 posted on 05/29/2004 3:39:50 PM PDT by A. Pole ("Stating the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." George Orwell)
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To: steplock

we took the wrong side.
Slobo should get an award.

We should turn him and his people loose on the islamists...
Some of the terrorists in Afganistan, were actually allies from the balkans conflict... killing us in Afghanistan.

We should turn on the Islamists


30 posted on 05/29/2004 3:44:38 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (better get that pocket prayer rug and compass ready.)
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To: 45Auto

The US will have to go back to Kosovo? See that picture up there? Of Camp Bondsteel? That is the largest American military base in Europe outside of Germany - we are already in Kosovo.


31 posted on 05/29/2004 6:39:27 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Maria S

That is proof of being leftist? You have no clue what being a leftists or rightist is do you?


32 posted on 05/29/2004 6:43:12 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro

No kidding.

Now of course, brace yourself for the (inevitable) flame-fest from our mutual acquaintance 'RonlyBonlyJones'....


33 posted on 05/29/2004 6:46:23 PM PDT by Al Simmons (Proud BushBot since '94!)
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To: Destro

The title should read BILL CLINTON bombed the wrong side.

Otherwise they will blame bush and michael more will make a new documentary linking the two


34 posted on 05/29/2004 6:51:32 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: longtermmemmory

In a democracy the people are responsible....


35 posted on 05/29/2004 6:59:20 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Pedrobud

Just another "Clinton foreign policy triumph" that went bad and killed thousands of people who were on the right side. Evil triumphed again.


36 posted on 05/29/2004 7:30:20 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus (4)
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To: Destro

While I agree we bombed the wrong side, I don't agree of course that Bush lied about Iraq. I am sick and tired of seeing the lie that he lied!!!


37 posted on 05/29/2004 7:32:41 PM PDT by ladyinred (The leftist media is the enemy within.)
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To: Destro

"Just my opinion; means nothing to anyone else."


I just post my opinion; didn't ask for psychoanalysis.

I DO know right from wrong.


38 posted on 05/30/2004 4:13:17 AM PDT by Maria S ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm."George W. Bush 1/20/01)
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To: Destro

...Good read. Thanks for the post.


39 posted on 05/30/2004 7:23:41 AM PDT by gargoyle
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To: cwb
Regardless of what one thinks about the war in Kosovo/Serbia...the media treated it far different than the way they've treated the war in Iraq. A war with much clearer implications on US security.

True that.

And I always wonder how people are going to react when the time comes for the US to defend some southwest region from secession...simply because a minority population eventually attains majority status

I don't think that analogy applies. Kosovo had not been part of Serbia for close to five centuries when it was awarded to Serbia in 1913 by the Great Powers after the 1st Balkan War. By that time the Albanians had long been in a majority status and considered Kosovo an integral part of Albanian lands. In fact the Albanian modern nationalist movement, the League of Prizren, started in the 1870s in Kosovo. Most Albanians have never accepted what they consider to be an unjust Great Power diktat that amputated the Albanian populated lands of Kosovo away from the rest of the Albanians.

40 posted on 05/30/2004 8:06:25 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: neutrino
I agree with you. Frankly, I think that President Milosevic and General Maladic were the good guys.

Sure, if you define good guys as mass murdering, ethnic cleansing thugs.

41 posted on 05/30/2004 8:10:53 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: Destro

Albans like America. They are moderate Muslims and like America. It's the European country more pro-American. They support OP Iraqi Freedom and want to join NATO.

Milosevic is a criminal and a madman. He is anti-American and Communist. He deserves the death penalty for all his crimes.


42 posted on 05/30/2004 8:16:46 AM PDT by Reader of news
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To: A. Pole

"the real bad guys were Ahmed Ceku, Holbrook, Clark, Walker and mass media propagandists."

And don't forget NotBrightAtAll-Allbright!


43 posted on 05/30/2004 8:24:03 AM PDT by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder!)
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To: mark502inf
Sure, if you define good guys as mass murdering, ethnic cleansing thugs.

No, no, President Milosevic wasn't a mo-slime.


44 posted on 05/30/2004 8:26:08 AM PDT by neutrino (Everybody, soon or late, sits down to a banquet of consequences. Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: festus
Slobo understood the threat that islamofascists posed firsthand and was doing something about it.

Yeah, that was why good ol' Slobo fought wars against the islamofascist Slovenes and the islamofascist Croats. And since the first U.S. troop deployment in the Balkans was into Macedonia to deter Slobo from "doing something about" that situation, I guess the Macedonians are islamofascists, too. And of course, the Kosovar Albanians are famous islamofascists--that would explain their Christian president, the secular law, the expansion of the Catholic church in Kosovo, the alcohol consumption rate (high!) & the babes in tight jeans.

As to what Slobo was really doing "about it", go look up the 60+ counts of his indictment at the ICTY.

45 posted on 05/30/2004 8:27:02 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: neutrino
No, no, President Milosevic wasn't a mo-slime

You're right, he was an atheist who was denounced by the Serb Orthodox Church and is being tried in absentia for Belgrade for murder while he is also being tried in the ICTY for war crimes. He presided over the destruction of his own country and the deaths of a couple hundred thousand people while personally enriching himself through criminal activities as well as by selling arms to Libya and Iraq and being one of the largest recipients of Saddam Hussein's oil bribes.

46 posted on 05/30/2004 8:39:42 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: Dubya's fan
Milosevic is a criminal and a madman. He is anti-American and Communist. He deserves the death penalty for all his crimes.

One of my arguments with international justice is the lack of a death penalty. Slobo richly deserves it.

47 posted on 05/30/2004 8:43:37 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf

A few minor little transgressions compared to the good he did.


48 posted on 05/30/2004 8:45:48 AM PDT by neutrino (Everybody, soon or late, sits down to a banquet of consequences. Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: Wolverine
Why hasn't Wesley Clark been called on the carpet for this?

Because the article is B.S. Clark should have been called on the carpet and relieved for military incompetence; i.e. bad military advice to the Rambouillet negotiating team (Slobo will fold if threatened by NATO bombing); for failure to make the case for ground troops with the President& joint staff; for failure to have a military plan in place other than his anemic little several day bombing campaign; and for his micro-managing command style. But this article, besides the obvious anti-U.S. bias, is riddled with lies about the Kosovo situation. Better to have gotten rid of Clark for what he really did or did not do instead of based on Slobo's Kosovo talking points.

49 posted on 05/30/2004 9:01:30 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: neutrino
A few minor little transgressions compared to the good he did.

Such as wars with Slovenia, Croatia, the Bosniaks, and Kosovar Albanians? A couple milllion refugees? Serbia's economy ruined? Sending weapons and military advisers to Saddam Hussein? But I'll bite--what good did he do?

50 posted on 05/30/2004 9:08:23 AM PDT by mark502inf
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