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Michelangelo may have had form of autism: scientists (Asperger's)
Yahoo News ^ | June 1, 2004

Posted on 06/01/2004 1:16:37 PM PDT by Born Conservative

LONDON (AFP) - Renaissance-era artistic genius Michelangelo might have had Asperger's syndrome, a milder form of autism which causes sufferers to have difficulties with social interaction, according to experts on the condition.

A by-product of Asperger's -- also known as high-functioning autism -- can be a special talent in a particular area such as art, music or mathematics.

The research by a British and Irish expert in autism, published in British publication the Journal of Medical Biography, argues that Michelangelo met a number of the criteria for Asperger's.

"Michelangelo was aloof and a loner," said Dr Muhammad Arshad, a psychiatrist at the Five Boroughs Partnership in Warrington, northwest England, and Professor Michael Fitzgerald of Trinity College Dublin, in their paper.

"Like the architect John Nash (1752-1835), who also had high-functioning autism, he had few friends," they said, referring to the famed British architect whose imposing Regency buildings and crescents are dotted around London.

The scientists describe Michelangelo as "strange, without affect, and isolated" and "preoccupied with his own private reality", adding that his father and grandfather and one of his brothers all displayed autistic tendencies.

The pair conclude: "Michelangelo's single-minded work routine, unusual lifestyle, limited interests, poor social and communication skills, and various issues of life control appear to be features of high-functioning autism or Asperger's syndrome."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aspergers; autism; disorders; godsgravesglyphs; michelangelo
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1 posted on 06/01/2004 1:16:40 PM PDT by Born Conservative
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To: Born Conservative
Yeah. Def..Definitely help Charlie Babbett paint the chapel. Yeah.


2 posted on 06/01/2004 1:19:14 PM PDT by mattdono (Big Arnie: "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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To: Born Conservative

Ah so now we have turned genius into a pathological condition. Wonder what they wil have to say about Beethoven. Mediocrity if fast becoming the standard for sound mental health.


3 posted on 06/01/2004 1:29:40 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: mattdono

Rain Man was a portrayal of a person with classic autism, not Asperger's. A "Rain Man" would not be presently attending college and supporting himself like my brother does. Actually high intelligence is a hallmark of Asperger's Syndrome.

My brother does have Asperger's (as do several family members), and he will have something else this December: a college degree.


4 posted on 06/01/2004 1:30:55 PM PDT by petuniasevan (Google the term. Learn who we are.)
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To: rface

Asperger's ping


5 posted on 06/01/2004 1:31:23 PM PDT by SavageRepublican (The whole point of being a Tiger is to bite as many people as possible...)
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To: Born Conservative

"Michelangelo was aloof and a loner,"

And here I thought it was because he was gay...............
I guess The Inquisition was not responsible, either...........


6 posted on 06/01/2004 1:31:52 PM PDT by Red Badger (DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!!!! Redneck with a computer detected!........................)
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To: Incorrigible
Autism Ping.
7 posted on 06/01/2004 1:35:19 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Born Conservative

The world is a much richer place because of these people.

So "others" thought Michelangelo or Nash to be "aloof", "loners" or "strange"? Who were these "others"? Does anyone remember them? Does anyone know their names? Did those well-adjusted, judgemental "others" contribute to the arts one half as well as Michelangelo, or Nash?

These journalists and psychologists who pass judgment on Michelangelo, Nash, and other individuals like them - did they ever do anything so wonderful as these "flawed" men? Did any of these expert labelers of humanity ever create so beautiful as Nash's works, or Michelangelo's David?

I would wager that the problem belongs not to Michelangelo, or to Nash, but rather to the "others" who judged them to be strange. Those "others" may have suffered from that common and sometimes fatal syndrome known as "jealosy".

How often are the "strange" people, who have much to offer in their gifts, shunned because their perceived social ineptness?

Perhaps Asperger's syndrome is not a marker of a defect - rather, in all of it's strangeness and social non-conformity, it may be the marker of potential greatness...


8 posted on 06/01/2004 1:36:54 PM PDT by dandelion
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To: Born Conservative
Being torn from his passions, and enslaved by the Pope; Michelangelo became kinda stand-offish.

Well, since he had talent, let's use him to raise awareness.

9 posted on 06/01/2004 1:37:36 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: CasearianDaoist

Many geniuses tend to show such tendencies; Asperger's Syndrome runs in my family.For those individuals the higher the IQ, the more the condition manifests.

It would have saved my family a lot of time and trouble if we had known what was "wrong" with my brother and cousin and others. As far as I'm concerned, it's not a "pathological condition" but a subtle difference in brain chemistry.


As for mediocrity (or run-of-the-mill intelligence), perhaps that is in some ways requisite to happiness, or at least to contentment. That's not to say I think complacency is a good thing, though.


10 posted on 06/01/2004 1:39:07 PM PDT by petuniasevan (Google the term. Learn who we are.)
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To: petuniasevan
It may well be the problem is the low IQ of their fellows rather than some "syndrome." THe USSR classified the failure to accept socialism as a for of schizophrenia.

It may well be that their was nothing "wrong" with your brother at all, as you say.

Whatever roots psychology may have had in science has long since been left behind. It has become a religion.

11 posted on 06/01/2004 1:43:29 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: dandelion

You put it better than I did -- thanks.

I tend to believe that a lot of what we call "sociability" and the "popular" crowd are actually attempts at either covering up strong insecurities with schmoozing or trying to climb the social ladder.

And yes those types are very put off by the nonconformists.


12 posted on 06/01/2004 1:43:44 PM PDT by petuniasevan (Google the term. Learn who we are.)
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To: petuniasevan

Also known as Programmers Disease.


13 posted on 06/01/2004 1:49:18 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: CasearianDaoist

In some ways your statement is valid. But I can tell you that from over 35 years of exposure to my brother and cousin that they do have a condition of sorts. Eulalia, compulsive handwashing, and facial tics were childhood traits that meant they were teased unmercifully.

My cousin cannot even hold a job; his parents years ago put him in an apartment. He can live alone but he receives disability payments to pay for food and utilities -- and the model airplanes he builds. Plus he must be protected from predatory types as he cannot understand such motivations and is easily manipulated.


14 posted on 06/01/2004 1:49:45 PM PDT by petuniasevan (Google the term. Learn who we are.)
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To: petuniasevan
Sorry that hit too close to home, but it was a joke.

I wasn't infereing that Raymond Babbett had Asperger's rather than classic autism, nor was I implying that he painted the Sistine Chapel...as I said, it was a joke.

15 posted on 06/01/2004 1:52:26 PM PDT by mattdono (Big Arnie: "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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To: Born Conservative
Hmm, so does this mean that because I don't get along with everyone the way I should that I can get a handicap parking sticker... or better yet, do I qualify for some grants or scholarships. Most the people I know have this syndrome.
16 posted on 06/01/2004 1:52:36 PM PDT by Porterville (oOOOo USA against the World in this summer Olympics oOOOo)
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To: Born Conservative
Bruck concludes: "Just about everybody I work with's single-minded work routine, unusual lifestyle, limited interests, poor social and communication skills, and various issues of life control appear to be features of high-functioning autism or Asperger's syndrome."
17 posted on 06/01/2004 1:58:21 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his pants)
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To: petuniasevan

While I value teamwork, I think teachers and HR-types put too much emphasis on how people get along, rather than getting things done right and living a principled life. And they are too quick to be alarmed by people that don't schmooze easily.

-- Joe


18 posted on 06/01/2004 2:05:10 PM PDT by Joe Republc
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To: CasearianDaoist
Wonder what they will have to say about Beethoven

They did that one a long time ago...he's on the list of Famous Artists with Bipolar Disorder

19 posted on 06/01/2004 2:09:26 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: petuniasevan

I am sure that my brother has Asperger's syndrome, though he has never been diagnosed. The school district sent a team of representatives to our home to inform my parents that my brother had the highest IQ that they had ever seen in the school district and apologize for having bored him to death. Everyone thought that he was just weird and blamed it on my mother's parenting. A psychologist once warned him to never marry, telling him that he was not capable of bonding with another person. My brother is the most rational man that you would ever encounter, completely devoid emotional thinking. The only emotion that he exhibits seems to be anger.


20 posted on 06/01/2004 2:15:18 PM PDT by Eva
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