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Rewrite the Second Amendment?
Magic City Morning Star ^ | Jun 2, 2004 | Richard D. Skidmore

Posted on 06/02/2004 12:44:36 PM PDT by neverdem

Richard Skidmore is a professor at Los Angeles Pierce College, Woodland Hills, California, having taught at Pierce College since 1975.

O’ Hear ye, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled in their December decision that the Second Amendment of the Constitution was not adopted "to afford rights to individuals with respect to private gun ownership or possession."

The left hails this courts decisions as decisive and correct, while the right sees the court as a bulwark to destroy our republican form of government and forging the links in chains of usurpation. Remember, this is the same federal court that declared the Pledge of Allegiance an unconstitutional endorsement of religion and has a record of more decisions reversed than any other court.

Have these judges made a sound judicial decision or legislated from the bench? The answer is in our history, our Constitution and especially the Second Amendment, a part of our "Bill of Rights." Some may think that surely this is a trick question that only a judge can divine. However, I assure you that the answer is meant for the common man in jury to resolve.

Judge for yourself, the Second Amendment states: "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Today’s media debates are often pro-gun and anti-gun advocacy matches. But reviewing the debates that confirmed our Constitution and our "Bill of Rights" we recognize that today’s debates are similar to those of 1787: Should we have a federal government that is overreaching and infringes on individual liberties or should the individual be protected and the federal government be limited?

Indeed I hear your question: Where can I find the answer to a limited or infringing government which in turn can resolve the debate on gun control and determine if the 9th Circuit Court gets an A or an F in its decision?

The answer is in two books, "The Federalist Papers" and "The Anti-Federalist Papers." One may obtain them at any quality bookstore, each at under $10.

Federalists sought a central federal government to assure a "more perfect union," with the benefits that an energetic government would bring in commerce and prestige much as England had. James Wilson, Supreme Court Justice and signer of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, saw with particular clarity, strong government could as much serve the people when controlled by them as it could injure them when it was hostile.

Anti-federalists were skeptical of any new constitution and saw the federalist hopes as lust by ambitious men for a "splendid empire" where, in the time-honored way, "the people would be burdened with taxes, conscriptions, and campaigns." They saw the enlarged powers of any central government as familiar threats to the rights and liberties of the people.

Be not mistaken in this, Federalists understood the need to limit the powers of government having endured the long struggle to end the "tyranny" of kings and wanted insurance that government would be faithful to the people, stable, and filled with wisdom in its enactments.

As the debate over the new Constitution progressed, anti-federalist objections crystallized into specific proposals for amendments that would assure the new federal governments limited powers. In some state conventions, these amendments were insisted upon prior to their ratifying the Constitution. Their proposals being similar in nature were later included as the first ten amendments, which we call "The Bill of Rights."

Consider Virginia, in 1788, offered 20 amendments for consideration.

Its 17th states: "That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided, as far as the circumstances and protection of the community will admit; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."

Similarly Pennsylvania, upon ratification, issued 14 recommended amendments and the 7th reads: "That people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and their own state … and that the military shall be kept under strict subordination to and be governed by the civil powers."

Considering our recorded history, one could reasonably ask: Did the 9th Circuit judges abrogate the history of our nation, ignore the grievances that compelled us to separate from England, discard the debates of the Federalists and Anti-federalists, legislate from the bench which is not their responsibility, and thus compel another re-writing of our natural history to justify their decree, relying on the general ignorance of the people to allow their decisions to stand? A simpler question is: What part of "shall not be infringed" is not understood?

Richard Skidmore is a professor at Pierce College in Woodland Hills, Ca. He may be contacted at rskidmor49@excite.com.

© Copyright 2003 by Magic City Morning Star


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To: tacticalogic
Are they correct in their interpretation of the second amendment? I don't know. I would think not, but it's a moot point.

The California legislature can write any gun law they please since the citizen's RKBA is not protected by the California Constitution.

41 posted on 06/02/2004 2:05:46 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: RKV
There is also this one:
Art 4
Section. 2. The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

As it is an "enumerated Right", this Right should extend via this mechanism, and the others, to ALL US citizens who have not had their Rights removed via due process in a criminal proceeding.

Unless of course, our government considers us all "criminals"... in which case the government itself would need to be disabused of that notion.

42 posted on 06/02/2004 2:06:38 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: neverdem

Technically, yes, they use "magical thinking". They also show every sign of most of their members having the kind of brain damage you get from snorting cocaine too often.


43 posted on 06/02/2004 2:07:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: robertpaulsen

You are still a gun grabber. And very wrong as well.


44 posted on 06/02/2004 2:07:10 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Dead Corpse

Color me a 2nd Amendment absolutist, in fact, I am pretty much of an absolutist about the whole %&^$ Constitution. Not that the judges and legislators have ever let the actual words/meaning of the document stop them from doing what they wanted.


45 posted on 06/02/2004 2:10:15 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules.)
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To: RKV

Amen...


46 posted on 06/02/2004 2:11:51 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: robertpaulsen

Just doing a consistency check on the "It has to be wrong because it's the Ninth Circuit." argument.


47 posted on 06/02/2004 2:11:54 PM PDT by tacticalogic (I Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: Dead Corpse
any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

So that means that states can infringe on federally recognized individual rights?

48 posted on 06/02/2004 2:13:37 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Dead Corpse
From the Dred Scott decision, "...For if they [blacks] were so received, and entitled to the privileges and immunities of citizens, it would exempt them from the operation of the special laws and from the police regulations which they considered to be necessary for their own safety. It would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognized as citizens in any one State of the Union, the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, singly or in companies, without pass or passport, and without obstruction, to sojourn there as long as they pleased, to go where they pleased at every hour of the day or night without molestation, unless they committed some violation of law for which a white man would be punished; and it would give them the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went."
49 posted on 06/02/2004 2:16:22 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules.)
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To: RKV

Ditto. Color me a Life Member of the NRA.


50 posted on 06/02/2004 2:19:49 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (STAGMIRE !)
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To: RKV
"Properly read the 9th and 10th Amendments should have taken care of that at the founding."

No. As I stated, one of the amendments (of about 200) submitted by the states to Jefferson was one that applied the BOR to the states. It was rejected.

The due process clause of the 14th amendment has been used to selectively incorporate the first eight amendments and make them applicable to the states. The second amendment has never been incorporated -- it still applies only to the federal government.

Your gun rights are protected by your state constitution.

51 posted on 06/02/2004 2:20:20 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: neverdem

the second amendment was written so we could protect ourself from the likes of this 9th circus court when our govt refused to....

That is why these judges are afraid - they had better be very much afraid because the amendment was written about THEM!


52 posted on 06/02/2004 2:21:13 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: neverdem
Considering our recorded history, one could reasonably ask: Did the 9th Circuit judges abrogate the history of our nation, ignore the grievances that compelled us to separate from England, discard the debates of the Federalists and Anti-federalists, legislate from the bench which is not their responsibility, and thus compel another re-writing of our natural history to justify their decree, relying on the general ignorance of the people to allow their decisions to stand? A simpler question is: What part of "shall not be infringed" is not understood?

Richard Skidmore is a professor at Pierce College in Woodland Hills, Ca. He may be contacted at rskidmor49@excite.com.

Bravo, great article Mr. Skidmore. Right in the ten ring.

53 posted on 06/02/2004 2:22:41 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: robertpaulsen

No - as already demonstrated above re: Article 6. It was not needed (an amendment to apply the BOR to the states) because it ALREADY APPLIED.


54 posted on 06/02/2004 2:23:32 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules.)
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To: tacticalogic
At law (well, traditional objective law at least), the various Amendments, being by definition intentional changes to the original document, are (traditionally) held to trump any affected portions of the original.

Here, the Commerce Clause would (traditionally) take a back seat to the 2nd.

No guarantees, certainly, of what ruling a modern-day ''court'' might make.

55 posted on 06/02/2004 2:24:34 PM PDT by SAJ (Buy 1 NGF05 8.00 call, Sell 3 NGF05 11.00 calls against, for $500 credit OB.)
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To: robertpaulsen

That view is one which many jurists use to manipulate the plain meaning of the Constitution to get the desired results - as opposed to a consistent and intellectually honest view which would show the Constitution is the highest law of the land and applies to the states.


56 posted on 06/02/2004 2:26:16 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules.)
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To: SAJ
No guarantees, certainly, of what ruling a modern-day ''court'' might make.

US v Miller, and the AWB are proof of that.

57 posted on 06/02/2004 2:28:02 PM PDT by tacticalogic (I Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: neverdem
So that means that states cannot infringe on federally recognized individual rights?

That's better. NO. They cannot. That is what the whole "Supreme Law of the Land" thingie was supposed to mean. One set of enumerated Rights, like; freedom of movement, speech, and property ownership, that applies to us all. Only through amendment of the Constitution, or in a criminal proceeding as punishment, were our Rights to be taken from us.

58 posted on 06/02/2004 2:28:08 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Charles Martel
I wonder if this writer bothered to read the dissenting opinions in the Silviera case. If so, the words of Judge Alex Kozinski would have told the stark truth of the matter...

Kozinski's dissent alone serves to show how the 9th Circuit is trying to re-write the meaning of the 2nd Amendment.

Be that as it may, Kozinski's opinion is still a dissent. It would have no more value than if that dissent mandated backpack nukes for pre-schoolers.

Moral victories taste good, but we'll still starve.

59 posted on 06/02/2004 2:28:16 PM PDT by Woahhs (America is an idea, not an address)
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To: neverdem
Anti-federalists were skeptical of any new constitution and saw the federalist hopes as lust by ambitious men for a "splendid empire" where, in the time-honored way, "the people would be burdened with taxes, conscriptions, and campaigns." They saw the enlarged powers of any central government as familiar threats to the rights and liberties of the people.

And they were correct.

60 posted on 06/02/2004 2:29:19 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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