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Emphasize health services, not technology
Rocky Mountain News ^ | 6/3/04 | Vincent Carroll

Posted on 06/03/2004 9:28:25 AM PDT by qam1

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1 posted on 06/03/2004 9:28:26 AM PDT by qam1
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To: neverdem

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2 posted on 06/03/2004 9:34:38 AM PDT by Born Conservative ("Nothing wrong with shooting as long as the right people get shot" - Dirty Harry)
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To: qam1
Every American feels that they're entitled to the best health care and cost is no consideration.

BINGO! That says a lot...

3 posted on 06/03/2004 9:36:23 AM PDT by Born Conservative ("Nothing wrong with shooting as long as the right people get shot" - Dirty Harry)
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4 posted on 06/03/2004 9:41:09 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: qam1

Lamm, who has long been a proponent of euthanasia, said in 1984 that the elderly had a moral obligation to society to die ("duty to die") so as not to use up resources that could be used for younger people.


5 posted on 06/03/2004 9:41:49 AM PDT by SC DOC
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Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social aspects that directly effects Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including all the spending previous generations (i.e. The Baby Boomers) are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

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6 posted on 06/03/2004 9:44:54 AM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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"As many as 18,000 people died last year because of lack of health insurance."

When I hear anyone make such an incongruent, dubious, and unveriable remark, as listed above, their credibility to speak intelligently and rationally about a topic is instantly destroyed.

7 posted on 06/03/2004 10:04:44 AM PDT by tahiti
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"As many as 18,000 people died last year because of lack of health insurance."


Yeah, this is where I stopped reading as well.


8 posted on 06/03/2004 10:18:32 AM PDT by subterfuge (Liberalism is, as liberalism does.)
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To: qam1

The answer (in my opinion) is NOT universal healthcare & rationing - but to ditch health insurance / HMOs all together.

It seems to me like the quality of service has gone down-hill since the "guaranteed payment" w/ deductible came around. If people have to pay out of their own pockets, they will become choosier, and there ARE doctors who will step up to the plate, and offer services to the poor at reduced rates - with out government intervention.

This "Our health-care system has gone running technologically amuck" says a lot to me in other words, they are living on the bleeding edge of technology - which (as far as electronics / pcs goes) is a bad thing.


9 posted on 06/03/2004 10:29:25 AM PDT by NotQuiteCricket (www.proudbushie.com - support Pres Bush)
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The whole problem - other than giving away health care to those who don't pay for it - is that we live too dang long!

Let's go back to the old days when we lived 'til the ripe old age of 25 - then we'll see a blessed change!


10 posted on 06/03/2004 10:37:43 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: NotQuiteCricket
I agree to a point but I think health insurance should be there only for the big stuff and not for the petty little B.S.

Have a heart attack, get cancer or break a leg then fine you should be covered but when you go to the doctor for back pain, the common cold, or an ingrown toenail you should be paying that out of pocket.

11 posted on 06/03/2004 10:59:10 AM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: NotQuiteCricket
they didn't talk at all about the tort tax either. In other words, how much of the money flowing into the health care system ends up paying for lawyers or insurance companies that pay lawyers? Take that out of the equation and see prices crash.

On the other hand they talk about 15% of our GNP going to health care, and I say, "so what?". Money is worthless if you don't have your health, and once you get to a certain level of wealth, why not spend it on health care? I can easily foresee a situation where we spend 30% of GNP on health care.

If your faced with a choice of paying $100,000 to beat cancer or buying a BMW 7-series, cancer wins every time. I don't see that changing. Having some idiot like the above say we shouldn't spend more than 11% of GNP on healthcare is, well, just idiotic.

12 posted on 06/03/2004 11:02:00 AM PDT by delapaz
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We had 70,000 women give birth last year without adequate prenatal care.

And no further analysis from this "expert" on why they didn't get it.

The truth is, in America in 2004, if your baby is harmed by inadequate pre-natal care, you didn't try very hard to get it.

13 posted on 06/03/2004 11:08:12 AM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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I'm looking you in the eye and telling you I don't think you deserve a heart transplant if you're over 75. You just don't. We had 70,000 women give birth last year without adequate prenatal care.

There is the mind of a social engineer at work. I'm wondering: why should my 99 year old grandmother consume precious blood pressure medicine?

14 posted on 06/03/2004 11:11:58 AM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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he thinks health care is a right, not something you should have to pay for. That is the root of his line of thinking.


15 posted on 06/03/2004 11:13:08 AM PDT by delapaz
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And what exactly is adequate prenatal care?

Humn? I remember reading somewhere a couple of years ago about a study done about prenatal care for illegal immigrants - they weren't getting "enough" but were somehow having healthy babies anyway. Prenatal care is a crock for the most part - if you are a young, healthy woman, you don't need it (I didn't have any, and my daughter is just fine).


16 posted on 06/03/2004 11:14:44 AM PDT by NotQuiteCricket (www.proudbushie.com - support Pres Bush)
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he thinks health care is a right, not something you should have to pay for.

I think he thinks that -- but then the next moment he thinks that those who think that way are the problem.

His solution?

To have a government clerk (or, probably, a LAWYER) declare that health care is a right, except that if you are 75 years and 1 day old, you have no right to the heart transplant you had a right to last Thursday.

These things always remind me of 1992: "Hi, my name is Hillary. I went to law school. This qualifies me to tell you how the entire health care system should operate."

17 posted on 06/03/2004 11:22:03 AM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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To: NotQuiteCricket

prenatal care is where we spend millions of dollars in order to tell young women not to smoke or drink when they are pregnant, which they do anyway.


18 posted on 06/03/2004 11:38:19 AM PDT by delapaz
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To: Born Conservative

I think many of his points are valid-and ,yes,many of our citizens expect the best but don't want to pay for it--


19 posted on 06/03/2004 12:52:47 PM PDT by y2k_free_radical (ESSE QUAM VIDERA-to be rather than to seem)
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To: Born Conservative
Some interesting comments from a former 3 term rat governor who's no longer looking for elective office. His limits on socialized medicine are controversial to both sides on the aisle. Too little is said about the cost of defensive medicine.
20 posted on 06/03/2004 3:15:24 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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