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Bush to Give Pope Presidential Medal of Freedom
Reuters ^ | June 3, 2004 | Rome Staff

Posted on 06/03/2004 11:25:25 AM PDT by Notwithstanding

President Bush will award Pope John Paul the Presidential Medal of Freedom Friday, the highest U.S. civilian award, a U.S. official said Thursday.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the pontiff was being honored for "years of fighting for freedom and for his important moral voice."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: kevao

Exactly...sucking up ain't gonna help.

OTOH, he shows that he is bigger than ever, even tho the Pope blasted him, he still reaches out.

In other times I would applaude this act. But this year? If the media gives it any play at all it will be to cynically spit on the gesture.


41 posted on 06/03/2004 12:01:34 PM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: SF Republican

LOL!

How about St. John and St. Paul? And I mean biblical not beattles.


42 posted on 06/03/2004 12:04:45 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sinkspur

I wondered the same thing!


44 posted on 06/03/2004 12:05:27 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Pyro7480

It was Archbishop Renato Raffaele Martino, the head of the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, speaking on behalf of the Vatican AND the Pope.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/867853/posts



45 posted on 06/03/2004 12:07:14 PM PDT by kevao
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To: Matthew Paul

And thanks for those pictures!


46 posted on 06/03/2004 12:07:34 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

I bet the wires start to pick this up and the hourly newscasts start reporting this near the top of the hour.

Too bad this was bumped out of breaking news by the mods.

President gives the highest honor he can bestow upon his most vocal critic in the war's build up - during an election year when the Catholic vote is majorly in play - and this is not treated as breaking news.

Amazing.


47 posted on 06/03/2004 12:13:04 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: kevao
After which the Pope will go into an anti-American rant, lambasting Bush for all the evils of the world. You heard it here first.

The first of many Pope-bashing comments on this thread, I'm sure.

The amount of hatred spewed toward that good man on this board is sickening.

48 posted on 06/03/2004 12:14:44 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (The truth is like sunlight -- people used to think it was good for you)
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To: Notwithstanding

Papa rules!
In fact this is strange message!
Papa is against war, it is obviously that pope must be against war because he is pope! :)


49 posted on 06/03/2004 12:16:46 PM PDT by Lukasz (Hey don't look for my horrible mistakes, I'm learning English here!)
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To: sinkspur
Am I?

Pope Paul VI abandoned the wearing of the papal crown thereby showing that he was not a valid pope. The decision of Pope John Paul I to abandon the Papal Coronation altogether is seen by some in a similar light. Pope John XXIII joined the Freemasons in 1935, an act that would have earned automatic excommunication and so made him ineligible for the papacy. Others have noted that Pope John Paul II declined to take the traditional papal oath and so was not a valid pope.

I am a practicing Catholic who validly receives Holy Communion, but I've considered all (and more) of the information that is freely available to all and admit that I am in doubt when confronted by what attempts to pass as doctrinal and/or instructional from Rome since Vatican II.

50 posted on 06/03/2004 12:17:23 PM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: kevao

He didn't speak for the Pope nor the Vatican. He expressed his personal opinion.


51 posted on 06/03/2004 12:17:42 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: anonymous_user

The Pope began his adult life resisting the Nazi occupiers, and spent most of his life resisting the Communists. He fought the good fight. But now he's old and in poor health, and God willing his successor will have the vigor to take on Islam.

For W to present the Pope with the Presidential Medal of Freedom -- despite the asinine comments from the Vatican about the Iraq war -- is returning good for evil.

The Nobel committee didn't have the guts to give the Pope the peace prize for contributing to the fall of Communism; W is doing the right thing.


52 posted on 06/03/2004 12:20:12 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: JesseHousman
Yep. You are a sedevacantist.

And a certified nut if you think that ridding the Papacy of the papal tiara invalidates the Papacy.

Peter was not "crowned" Pope, and would have been embarrassed that any of his successors wore a gold tube on his head, like a beauty queen.

53 posted on 06/03/2004 12:20:30 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: ErnBatavia
The Pope gets a Medal of Freedom for being one of the most vocal opponents of the Iraq war?

Mrs. Bat - an extremely devout Catholic - says she'll leave the church if Il Papa rebukes Bush during his visit.

And a Medal of FReepdom goes to...Mrs. Bat!

54 posted on 06/03/2004 12:21:13 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Lukasz
"it is obviously that pope must be against war because he is pope!"

Good point, We can hardly expect the Pope to be a war hawk.

55 posted on 06/03/2004 12:21:58 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: ex-snook
Bush is saying If I had listened to you instead of Chalabi I would be better off.

You are so full of Barbra Streisand.

56 posted on 06/03/2004 12:23:35 PM PDT by Petronski (Some leftists find Bush's very existence to be a "constant oppressive force in their daily psyche.")
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To: lilylangtree
And this is suppose to do what?

Pi$$ off the liberals

57 posted on 06/03/2004 12:27:37 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("Nothing wrong with shooting as long as the right people get shot" - Dirty Harry)
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To: gilliam
LOL!!! An Archbishop gets on Vatican Radio and doesn't speak for either the Vatican or the Pope.

Just for argument's sake, I'll concede that ridiculous point, in which case I must have missed the Pope's the-Archbishop-doesn't-speak-for-me-on-Vatican-Radio speech. LOL!!!

58 posted on 06/03/2004 12:28:06 PM PDT by kevao
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To: omega4412
despite the asinine comments from the Vatican about the Iraq war -- is returning good for evil.

You're correct, and I was being short-sighted.

It's doubtful the Pope will change his mind about Iraq, but if he uses this opportunity to again chastise Bush in front of the world press, I would be most disappointed.
59 posted on 06/03/2004 12:28:18 PM PDT by anonymous_user (Telling the truth means you never have to change your story.)
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To: anonymous_user

"The Pope gets a Medal of Freedom for being one of the most vocal opponents of the Iraq war?"

Let's not forget how influential John Paul II was in the fight against communism. Plus this shows what type of a man President Bush is. You wouldn't see Clinton handing an award to anyone who was critical of his administration.


60 posted on 06/03/2004 12:30:50 PM PDT by exile (Exile - Helen Thomas tried to lure me into her Gingerbread House.)
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