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'If' (when) Arnold signs SB1160 into law, What will the Republican voter response/reaction be?
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Posted on 06/06/2004 3:32:59 PM PDT by MindFire

        Cedillo Amends SB-1160 Threatens National Security, Promotes Fraud

SB-1160 Referred to Senate Transportation Committee Reported by Senate on June 3, 2004

If California, and other states pass laws giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens anyone will be able to get one, including Osama Bin-Ladin. If Cedillo-Schwarzenegger's SB-1160 is enacted into law, terrorists will be able to legally apply for a driver's license. This is an immediate repercussion of supporting driver's licenses for illegal aliens. Arnold SB-1160 Univision Interview

SB-1160 IS A FRAUD AND PRESENTS A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

SB-1160 removes the Department of Justice from the process of verification. SB-1160 removes current law requirements that to hold a California driver's license that a person be a US Citizen, or Resident Immigrant and allows an applicant that is an illegal alien to submit a matricula consular ID, or other document from a foreign government.

The Matricula Consular ID card can be purchased on the streets and the California DMV has no way to verify any documentation with the Mexican government. Mexico has stated they will not share any data or information regarding illegal aliens living in this country. That was the purpose of the Matricula Consular card.

The applicant for drivers license will be submitting ID documents issued by nations that will not verify the authenticity of that very document. That ID document therefore becomes totally meaningless. The greater problem becomes that anyone can purchase a Matricula Consular card to establish a new ID, which the applicant then can present a "valid" document issued by a foreign government to the California DMV. A person can open a bank account, or create multiple identities. This can in turn lead to voter fraud, banking fraud, among many other forms of fraud.

SB-1160 provides a provision for the fingerprinting of applicants. This provision is useless. As previously stated, Mexico has stated they will not share any data or information regarding illegal aliens living in our country. How do we know who the individuals are that may be entering this nation, if using a Matricula Consular card? We don't know and can't possibly know unless we are receiving information from a foreign security service that the US has long shared information with such as England's MI-5 or MI-6, Scotland Yard, or Israel's Mossad. With SB-1160 prohibiting the Department of Justice from sharing information with the Federal Government, the State of California has no way to know who may be attempting to enter the US utilizing a phony identification. Without access to foreign government's databanks, or without having arrested, and detained an individual and collecting their fingerprints personally, we have no way to identify an individual that may be a terrorist. Add to that very fact, the provision in this bill prohibiting the DMV or Department of Justice from reporting any illegal aliens to the appropriate Federal Department, or Agency, and the notion that SB-1160 will require background checks to protect US National Security is therefore, a complete fraud, and lie to the people of California and the United States.

SB-1160 claims to not allow a person to vote, but motor voter will still be in effect. State law cannot supercede Federal Law. In fact, SB-1160 may indeed present a number of provisions that may also be in contradiction of Federal Law.

SB-1160 has provided that an applicant can present a EIN/tax ID number in lieu of the SSN. SB-1160 has included a penalty of perjury clause where the applicant states they have applied for legal residency, or will apply for legal residency, though the penalty of perjury is moot as the illegal alien has already broken the law by violating US sovereignty and immigration laws in the first place.

Numerous illegal aliens are already in violation of that very law regarding voting, and under that same penalty of perjury. SB-1160 does not allow our immigration laws to be enforced by prohibiting the Department of Justice to report immigration law violaters to the Department of Homeland Security, and other Federal Departments or Agencies, with the exceptions being purchase of a firearm, explosive, or as part of a drug deal.

However, entering the US without federal government permission is a violation of law, too. Under SB-1160 illegal immigration is condoned, and sponsored by Members of the California State Legislature and Governor of California.

SB-1160 allows for a person to be sponsored by a Citizen of the United States that has a valid CA DL. Would that not be consider aiding and abetting? SB-1160 imposes a $5 tax on those non-citizens using an EIN/Tax ID # in lieu of the SSN, and requires a 2/3 super majority by the California Legislature to approve that tax increase. However, that's been met with the urgency clause. SB-1160 has been prepared for court challenges as it contains a severable clause.

Here are two red flag paragraphs.... (6) Existing law makes it a misdemeanor for any person to knowingly assist in obtaining a driver's license or identification card for any person whose presence in the United States is not authorized under federal law. This bill would delete that provision. The bill would require the Department of Motor Vehicles to collect and provide that information to the Department of Justice, and would prohibit the Department of Justice from providing the information to the federal government or any other law enforcement agency, except in connection with prosecuting a person for illegally attempting to purchase or obtain a firearm, dangerous weapon, or explosive.

In summary, this amended version of SB-1160 promotes countless forms of fraud including, voter fraud and banking fraud, and continued violation of US Immigration Laws. SB-1160 does not even meet Governor Gray Davis requirements of the 1992 versions, under AB-60 by Cedillo and it's companion legislation SB-804 by Polanco, which were both vetoed in September of 1992 by the former Governor as a threat to national security.

SB-1160 rewards immigration law violaters with a California Driver's License. SB-1160 cannot be referended, and hinders the ability of law enforcement by removing requirements to report all immigration law violators to the appropriate US Department or Agency. SB-1160 will allow terrorists to apply for a California Driver's License, as terrorists previously did prior to the 9-11 Attack on America. SB-1160 does not provide a background check and such statements by the author and supporters are a complete fraud and lie. SB-1160 represents a Clear and Present Danger to the National Security of the United States.

Save Our State rejects this legislation and stands in opposition to SB-1160. Accordingly, Save Our State shall refile our initiative within a few days of SB-1160 becoming law. Save Our State recommends rejection of SB-1160 to the people of California and that our opposition be placed in public record, and reported to the Senate Rules Committee, and members of the Press.

(Excerpt) Read more at save187.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: California; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: cedillo; driverslicense; illegalaliens; sb1160; schhwarzenegger
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To: DumpsterDiver; John Jorsett; FairOpinion; MindFire; kellynla

well i'd say you are grossly misinformed about immigration issues.

1- I view white collar immigration as the greatest threat.

You know why?

These guys are taking all the best jobs, pushing americans down the economic and social ladder.

The british and the french ruled their colonies, simply by putting their people into white collar jobs with a political clout and policy making powers over those governed.

We are being colonized with perfectly legal white collar immigration, while all you do is worry about poor mexicans who are doing jobs that most americans don't want to do.

White collar immigration is pushing americans down the ladder, while mexican immigration is helping americans move into better jobs, while the mexicans take the unskilled ones.

you tell me which one is worse.

The change will never come through violence, protests or racism.

It will come only, when congressmen are educated about the threat that we face from these white collar immigrants to our jobs, our economy, our culture and most important of all our identity as a sovereign nation.

This will again have to come through informative seminars, workshops, news paper ads etc.

Finally when congress is convinced, it will bring in new legislation to put a stop to it.

White collar immigration is also easy to control by simply refusing them visas.


41 posted on 06/07/2004 10:19:20 PM PDT by jerrydavenport
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To: DumpsterDiver; John Jorsett; FairOpinion; MindFire; kellynla

A- First of all you need to grade the immigration threat.

1- Muslims would be the most dangerous immigrants, because of the terror and ideological threat.

2- White collar immigrants who push americans down the social and economic ladder and threaten the sovereignity of our nation with their economic and political clout should come next.

3- People who hate the west and think of the US as an imperialist power should be next. As they aren't likely to live in harmony with us.

4- People who's cultures are at conflict with western values and way of life would come after them, as these can again give rise to conflict within the society.

5- Christians from countries who are friendly towards america can blend into the american society rather than conflict with it's values should be at the bottom of the list.

B- As for identifying immigrants with drivers licences. i think this is the next best thing to deporting them.

i- You'd atleast have them documented, identified and be in a position to track their movement.

ii-You'd also be able to make them pay taxes and insurance etc

Right now, we don't even know how many of them are out there.

iii- You'd have to realize that immigration laws are enforced by the INS

whereas civil laws are enforced by the cops.

The INS might be lax, but the cops aren't so.

once they are documented they'd be forced to pay taxes and insurance etc.

iv- it also makes the work easier for the INS, who'd now know where to find them.


42 posted on 06/07/2004 11:27:18 PM PDT by jerrydavenport
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To: jerrydavenport
Well first of all, we'd know how many there are. Where they are. We'll also know when they move residences.

Ok, assuming for discussion purposes that this is true: then what? What use do we make of that information?

And i suppose the driver licences would require atleast some sort of a priot ID or references from the embassy etc.

A Matricula Consular is all that would be required. I work with some Border Patrol guys. They pick up people regularly with offically-issued Matricula Consular cards. It's not at all uncommon to get people with several of them in different names. The Mexican system is so corrupt and/or incompetent that anyone can get as many Matriculas as they want.

You gotta verify their particulars in some way right?

That's what you'd think, but it doesn't happen.

43 posted on 06/09/2004 6:20:30 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: kellynla; John Jorsett; MindFire; NewRomeTacitus

Most of our IT workers hail from the india-pakistan region. They often boast of great technical skills

I mean did these people invent the rocket? the microchip?. Are these people inventors or pioneers?

Are these people bringing new technology, sciences and concepts to this country?

How many nobel laureates can that region of 1 billion plus people boast of in over a 100 years,2?3?4?

what would that put the ratio of nobel laureates in these countries at?lol

It's surprising how they have nothing to show for in terms of contributions, when they come to this country.

But then the liberals in this country group them together with the most brilliant american students, who do most of
their work and guess what these people get the credit for it. The liberal professors then put a bright american
student to do all their research work and guess what they again take the credit for it.

these people are some crooks.

what is their ratio of graduates in their countries? . what is the ratio of schools?colleges? lol

Do they have any internationally recognized research institutes in their countries?

what industrial sector can these countries boast of? A sector that could contribute to other countries in the world?

Where is the brain going to come from, if there has to be a drain?.lol

I laugh at these liberal authored articles on brain drain. if anything it's a corruption, bad practices and bad ethic gain.

Look at how many times you need to get patches for your computer programs

If these people ran our automobile industry, the number of reworks would have wrecked that industry.

Our high tech industry is still trying desperately to recover from their bad ethic. It was virtually wrecked by them in the late 90's.

We are still to recover from the IT bubble that burst in the late 90's, a bubble that was fed with bull and lies from the region.


44 posted on 06/09/2004 5:44:31 PM PDT by jerrydavenport
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