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Hermes Drones Almost Ready for Border Patrol Service
San Diego Union Tribunel ^ | 06-05-2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/06/2004 7:37:42 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus

Concentrated mostly along a 220-mile western stretch of border that includes an Indian reservation, a wildlife refuges and a military range, the drones are only the latest hardware in the patrol's technological toolbox - which includes tower-mounted cameras, ground sensors, night-vision goggles and portable lifts that let agents view down lines of highway traffic. The hope is the drones can help stem a surge in illegal immigration that a buildup of border agents hasn't stopped.

Hermes

The remotely piloted Hermes 450 craft, which can stay aloft for 20 hours at a time will carry cameras with thermal and night vision capabilities that can detect movement 15 miles away. The aircraft will be able to read a license plate, view a vehicle's occupants, even detect weapons.

Tucson attorney Isabel Garcia, co-chairwoman of the human rights organization Derechos Humanos, said their use will be another step toward fully militarizing the border and away from the law barring use of the military to enforce civil law.

"Everything they have done so far has created chaos, instability, death and insecurity rather than security," Garcia said.

Related posts/articles: "Border Patrol adding drones" (5-10-04)."Israel Invents Tiny Pilot-Less Drones"


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; border; borderpatrol; domesticdrones; drones; dronesbp; dronesus; illegalimmigration
For the upteenth time I was blocked by a paper's objections to Free Republic's reproduction. Moderatorss, please put up a readily found list of hostiles so I and others may stop wasting our time and efforts. Seriously now, the paper originally posting the story copied it directly from AP. Where do they draw the line and how are we supposed to know the limitations of the First Amendment?
1 posted on 06/06/2004 7:37:42 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx; Libertarianize the GOP; B4Ranch; hedgetrimmer; longtermmemmory; spodefly; ...
Ping Lists! Let me know if you would like to be removed or included on my list. It was compiled from noting who often contributed to articles concerning illegal immigration. I spend much spare time reviewing news on the subject but I don't want to bother anyone. Regardless of your position, I thank you for taking an interest in your country's welfare and future.
2 posted on 06/06/2004 7:40:02 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: NewRomeTacitus; Travis McGee

Guess that answers that question...


3 posted on 06/06/2004 7:40:43 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

GOOD!!! money well spent


4 posted on 06/06/2004 7:40:59 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: NewRomeTacitus; B4Ranch; Spiff; JackelopeBreeder; JustPiper; hershey
The $64 question is will they use it - effectively?

Hell, any 9 year-old Boy Scout could go down to the Arizona border and find hundreds if not thousands of illegal migrants crossing every single day.

But who would listen?

5 posted on 06/06/2004 7:45:37 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: Happy2BMe

My bet is that the UAVs and most of the helicopter assets will be used in the bad desert west of Nogales.

For "humanitarian" missions.


6 posted on 06/06/2004 7:52:55 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
Moderatorss, please put up a readily found list of hostiles so I and others may stop wasting our time and efforts.

Here ya go ^.

FWIW, http://www.signonsandiego.com is not on the "must excerpt" list.

7 posted on 06/06/2004 8:18:25 PM PDT by upchuck (Attention politicians of all persuasions: Talk that is not actionable is better left unsaid.)
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To: Happy2BMe; JackelopeBreeder; NewRomeTacitus

If the UAVs are highly effective, they will spend their time in the hanger. It's not about being effective, it's about political cover. If they wanted to close the border, they could do it anytime by revoking the "Keystone Kops" meant-to-fail rules of engagement, and instituting serious wartime ROE.


8 posted on 06/06/2004 8:38:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee; anon; B4Ranch; JackelopeBreeder; Marine Inspector
What's your take on this one?

"If the UAVs are highly effective, they will spend their time in the hanger. It's not about being effective, it's about political cover. If they wanted to close the border, they could do it anytime by revoking the "Keystone Kops" meant-to-fail rules of engagement, and instituting serious wartime ROE."

I tend to agree. We could have already "fixed" this invasion years ago - this is political CYA and eyewash for the sheeples.

9 posted on 06/06/2004 8:48:56 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

Include please.


10 posted on 06/06/2004 9:08:00 PM PDT by Imagine
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To: Happy2BMe; Travis McGee; B4Ranch

You guys have noticed the "credibility gap" concerning border enforcement. Wind up your earthly affairs for the sake of your loved ones. The men from the unnamed agency will be there shortly and they do not appreciate futile arguments and struggling that slows down their progress. If possible remain stationary in a fully tiled area with a nearby floor drain. The new whisper-craft should spare your family and neighbors from undue alarm.


11 posted on 06/06/2004 9:08:16 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (take my homeland defense tools from my cold dead fingers)
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To: Happy2BMe; NewRomeTacitus; JackelopeBreeder
Living in San Diego, we hear a lot on talk radio that never makes it to the left wing SD Union Trib, or national news. BP agents call in to local talk radio all the time and vent.

For example, the SD county BP had a tracking dog program which was phenomenal. Illegals hiding in canyons in heavy cover were easily found by the dogs, who "pointed" and led to the detention of huge numbers of border jumpers. Great huh?

Too great. The illegal advocates cried and whined about how terrifying and humiliating it was, to be found by dogs. The tracking dogs were taken off this duty they were trained for, and put on border crossing point drug sniffing duty, which they were NOT trained for.

This is why I say the UAVs will be shelved, if they are effective.

12 posted on 06/06/2004 9:15:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee; B4Ranch; JackelopeBreeder
Border patrol cost:

1,000 patrol dogs, highly trained (with the advantage of protecting the arresting BP agent) = $500,000 per year (very generous estimate).

1 Hermes Drone, full of bugs and subject to loss and high maintence costs = $2,000,000 each.

Cost of either in lost profits from using cheap illegal labor to big U.S. business if used effectively and without political scavenging = HUNDREDS OF MILLION$.

Do the math.

13 posted on 06/06/2004 9:22:35 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

LMAO, why didn't I think of that. You're right on the money IMO.


14 posted on 06/06/2004 9:23:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: upchuck

Thank you very much! Why the site doesn't make this obvious puzzles me, as doing so would seemingly head off future antagonism and keep us in good graces with the fence-sitters. It is obvious that this issue will be taken up soon, but I don't wish to have role in it (I've had my own raking).


15 posted on 06/06/2004 9:25:45 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: NewRomeTacitus
Tucson attorney Isabel Garcia, co-chairwoman of the human rights organization Derechos Humanos, said their use will be another step toward fully militarizing the border and away from the law barring use of the military to enforce civil law.

"Everything they have done so far has created chaos, instability, death and insecurity rather than security," Garcia said.

Somebody needs to inform Isabel Garcia that the Border Patrol is not the military and that the use of unmanned drones doesn't constitute the militarizing of the border.

Isabel Garcia is rabidly racist and anti-American. All she cares about is facilitating the entry of as many Latino illegal aliens into the US as she can, and then doing whatever she can to help them to remain here.

16 posted on 06/06/2004 9:25:49 PM PDT by usadave
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To: Happy2BMe
"The $64 question is will they use it - effectively?"

The cameras at your local shopping outlet never stopped shoplifting. You must have the agents on the ground or else it's just an expensive looking glass with illegals waving back as they cross the border.

17 posted on 06/06/2004 9:39:28 PM PDT by endthematrix (To enter my lane you must use your turn signal!)
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To: usadave

I included Ms Garcia's comment to illustrate how organized and determined America's enemies are, never troubled finding ready support from our press corps. They were probably disappointed that they couldn't accuse an impartial machine of racism.


18 posted on 06/06/2004 10:19:05 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: NewRomeTacitus; Happy2BMe; Travis McGee
We certainly aren't the only ones who have noticed the "credibility gap" concerning border enforcement, nor are we the only ones who have posted essays about the administrations "credibility gap" concerning national security.

I am not in fear of a visit from anyone. If this busted up old man is hought of as an enemy, imagine what young men like Trav are considered as.

There's no reason to send someone 'out to visit' me, just turn off my phone lines and you'll never hear from me again. At least not under the name of B4Ranch. LOL

So, I'll just continue to post my thoughts about who and what agencies are making mistakes concerning their Oath of Office "to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

It's during times like this that I wish we had another Ike in the White House.

19 posted on 06/07/2004 1:19:26 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Ignore your rights and they'll go away.)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
The aircraft will be able to read a license plate, view a vehicle's occupants, even detect weapons.

Not good enough. Needs to be able to carry a machine gun in .308 or .30-06.

20 posted on 06/07/2004 1:30:36 AM PDT by fire_eye (Having trouble dieting? Try visualizing Michael Moore in bed with Rosie O'Donnell...)
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To: Happy2BMe
Our politicians are famous for spending money to appear as if they are doing something about a problem when they know the results will have no effect whatsoever about the problem.

Lying and acting are their top skills. Patriotism isn't in their character. The Oath of Office was just something they mumbled with no intention of ever obeying.

21 posted on 06/07/2004 1:46:08 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Ignore your rights and they'll go away.)
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To: B4Ranch; JackelopeBreeder; Spiff; anon; SJackson; dennisw; Sabertooth; NewRomeTacitus; Happy2BMe; ..
"It's during times like this that I wish we had another Ike in the White House."

We all know beyond a shadow of doubt that if our government had you and me - the bona fide citizens - of this country's best interests at heart, they could as early as tomorrow put troops on our border (what the National Guard was created for) and physically block their entrance.

Those blocking actions would also immediately deny American business the literally billions of dollars a year in increased revenue each year by using cheaper labor (and thus increasing their profit for products produced by said labor), but also deny Mexico from what is factually known to be it's *SECOND LARGEST SOURCE OF REVENUE* after native oil production - namely the influx of money from the United States earned by the same said migrant work force.

We know it is happening. And both governments knows we know it is happening. An agreement has been made at the highest echelons of both our's and Mexico's (and probably Canada's and most South American nations) that this *RECIPROCAL* and unofficial agreement will be allowed to continue on until or unless the people of the United States became so resistant to it the practice would no longer be tolerated.

But by the sheer volumes of migrants already here and being permitted to flood in by reason of planned inaction on the part of either government, it is quickly becoming physically and politically impossible for such an uprising to occur without extreme risk and mortal peril on the part of those in opposition to said invasion.

The result of all this will be the intentional and eventual melding of Mexico to the United States and the United States no longer existing as an entity in and of itself and apart from Mexico.

These things are evident to all of us and these "pandering" motions put forth by the government which *appear* to be holding back the invasion are nothing more than eyewash serving only to buy more time to allow the eventual outcome we see shaping into reality with each passing month and year.

What other logical conclusion is there?

22 posted on 06/07/2004 1:46:29 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

>>It is obvious that this issue will be taken up soon, but I don't wish to have role in it (I've had my own raking).<<

Care to give me some more details on your "raking"?


23 posted on 06/07/2004 1:49:38 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Ignore your rights and they'll go away.)
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To: B4Ranch; JackelopeBreeder; Spiff; anon; SJackson; dennisw; Sabertooth; NewRomeTacitus
"Our politicians are famous for spending money to appear as if they are doing something about a problem when they know the results will have no effect whatsoever about the problem."

And why is this? Simple - money and wealth of huge proportions are being exchanged at such frequency and by so many (the benefactors are in every state in the nation - especially in large cities where voting density is critical to reelection success) that the monetary and political risks far, far outweight the risks (of an uprising against such practices).

Some would even call this a crime.

24 posted on 06/07/2004 2:01:35 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: Happy2BMe

Most men and nations die lying down. President Bush will become known in history for his inaction to defend American sovereignty but he will be a hero for allowing the New World Order to take place in North America without a shot being fired.

His patriotism is for the United Nations Charter, not the US Constitution.

The sad part, in my mind, is that he has a strong backing of misguided Republicans who are assisting him in this socialistic action.


25 posted on 06/07/2004 2:05:14 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Ignore your rights and they'll go away.)
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To: B4Ranch
There was a tea party once in Boston.
26 posted on 06/07/2004 2:10:51 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: Happy2BMe

I'm not expecting anything like the Tea Party to take place.

Lt. Col. James "Bo" Gritz (Ret)said: A spider web of 'patriots for profit', operating from the highest positions of special trust and confidence, have successfully circumvented our constitutional system in pursuit of a New World Order.


27 posted on 06/07/2004 2:16:44 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Ignore your rights and they'll go away.)
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To: B4Ranch
Methinks Lt.Col. Gritz has seen the "other side of the coin."

It's not a good feeling knowing your country has been sold out for profit.

28 posted on 06/07/2004 2:27:28 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

NewRomeTacitus,

thank you for your pings to me !
I do appreciate and want them regarding the illegal invasion of OUR country.

thanks again,
millefleur


29 posted on 06/07/2004 4:22:57 AM PDT by millefleur
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To: NewRomeTacitus

Included.


30 posted on 06/07/2004 10:06:38 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: Happy2BMe

Makes too much sense. Fuggedaboudit.


31 posted on 06/07/2004 10:22:41 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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