Skip to comments.TIA now verifies flight of Saudis
Posted on 06/09/2004 10:38:46 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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As I wrote before, these are not the only two possibilities.
A third is raised in the WND article I posted above. That the Saudis royals were whisked, as you say, from the country to prevent them from being detained as material witnesses.
"At the time the members of the Saudi elite were allowed to leave, the Bush administration was preparing to detain Muslims in the U.S. as material witnesses to the attacks."
I think you are correct as to the author's intent, but a reading of Mayflower Sister's post reveals that it is a mistatement of fact.
Buy a ticket to TIA, and you won't be getting a Florida vacation.
I'm not sure what Clarke is admitting. Here's what I mean:
"The Hill said a political controversy has been brewing over who approved the six controversial flights that carried 140 Saudi citizens."
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"Most of the 26 passengers aboard a Sept. 20, 2001, fight were relatives of Osama bin Laden, whom intelligence officials blamed for the attacks almost immediately after they happened, The Hill said."
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"But this new account of the events seemed to contradict Clarke's sworn testimony before the Sept. 11 commission at the end of March, The Hill said."
"The request came to me, and I refused to approve it," Clarke testified. "I suggested that it be routed to the FBI and that the FBI look at the names of the individuals who were going to be on the passenger manifest and that they approve it or not. I spoke with the at the time No. 2 person in the FBI, Dale Watson, and asked him to deal with this issue. The FBI then approved the flight."
So, was Clarke lying then or is he lying now?
Agreed. But, most people wouldn't ask to buy airline tickets to TPA, they'd want to buy plane tickets to Tampa.
Your premise that if "you reject #2 you must support #1" is a distant break from logic but that is not really the point.
This is the sort of thing that is being trumpetted to get ready for the US debut of Moore's film Farenheit 911. The premise of the entire film is that the Bush family have been arm-in-arm buddies with the Saudi royal family since before WWII. This news piece is intended to demonstrate that the friendship between Bush and the Saudis is so strong that he made sure that they were taken care of when Americans had to go without air service and other conveniences.
This is going to be a major theme of the Dem's attack this fall.
No, I believe the names came from the manifest of the 727. There were only three people on the 727 who had Tampa addresses:
Of those, three listed residences on Normandy Trace Drive in Tampa, and all of them held Florida drivers' licenses. They are Ahmad Al Hazmi, then 19, Fahad Al Zeid, then 20, and Talal M. Al Mejrad, then 18, all male Saudis.
Have you bought many tickets online? Most of the sites allow either a city (which will frequently bring up several airports even in cities that are considered one airport towns) or the code (usually saves one or two screens). Yes, if you are paying attention you will notice you are sending yourself to an Islamic capitol instead of Florida's oil rich west coast.
Nope. Not a one.
And if someone didn't notice the difference in the spellinig of the name of the city, I'm sure the price difference would make them sit up and take notice.
Thanks for the info.
This also speaks to the belief that Prsident Bush has about Islam: "Islam means peace" and "We know that Islam is fully compatible with liberty and tolerance".
Perhaps he believes that all those who he percieves as moderate or nominal Muslims actually have a western world-view.
So, after lying about it for years, the govt finally admits this.
What else about the Saudis have they lied about? Not those blank 28 pages.
Their credibility is in tatters.
DEN = FAA abbreviation for Denver. However, the airport is universally referred to as DIA, "Denver International Airport." DIA shows on maps, busses, street signs, and on the news. But the bag tags there say DEN.
For sure it's hard to tell when a liar is lying but I tend to think that he was more likely to be lying in his public testimony.
He was selling a book, he was getting his 15 minutes and trying to make it look like the White House approved the flights just made his story better.
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that we could lay blame for a lot more than bin Laden family flights at the feet of Richard Clarke.
Me, neither. But I did see a funny movie about a war in Albania...
Like U-Haul trailer rental fees, the cost of airline tickets to where you're going depends upon from where you're starting.
Last time I checked, round-trip tickets from LA to NY cost almost twice as much than round-trip tickets from NY to LA. So, it wouldn't surprise me that the cost of tickets from the US to Europe are cheaper than some domestic airfares.
Like I say, I haven't flown commercial in several years, so I'm not all that up to date on the cost of flying airlines.
Forgot to say that I really like your handle. My mom used to sing that song when I was a wee tot.
Denver - one of the worst set up airports that I have had the misfortune of flying into. I was trying to get a bus from the terminal to the rental car area (even the "on airport" companies are located several miles trom the main terminal.) I stood at the designated stop, but all of the buses were full and wouldn't stop. I finally walked most of the distance along the front of the terminal (unshaded and in the summer heat) until I got to the first terminal stop and managed to squeeze onto a bus.
No wonder that so many of the airlins servicing Denver have filed bankruptcy.
It is an airport that I avoid.
I never heard anybody deny the flight took place, the only think I ever heard denied was the co-accusation that they left without the approval of the FBI and at the insistance of "someone" in the administration.
The deeper I dig, the more I find.
"It's not in our logs ... it didn't occur,'' said Chris White, spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration's regional office in Atlanta." (Saudi Rescue...The Phantom Flight From Florida)
That's the question right now. Who authorized the Saudis and the Bin Ladens to leave the US before the investigation had even really begun?
"A Special Situation Grossi said Tampa police intelligence detectives called him about 11 a.m. Sept. 13, needing help with a special situation: They had been watching three young Saudi men - at least one a student at the University of Tampa - at their south Tampa apartment, and the trio was scared and wanted to go home."
"Jim Harf, director of UT's international programs, confirmed one of them is the son of Prince Sultan, the defense minister."
"University spokesman Grant Donaldson refused to provide details. Perez said he understood the men arrived in Tampa three weeks earlier to receive tutoring in English."
"The Tampa detectives guarding the men were ordered to stay in Tampa by Police Chief Bennie Holder, so Grossi was offered the job of escorting the trio to Lexington, Ky., where the prince's relatives were buying race horses."
"Lexington police Lt. Mark Barnard confirmed a Saudi relative had asked for help in getting protection for the men in Tampa. Two off-duty detectives were assigned. Tampa police records list Sultan bin Fahad as the one requesting the security detail."
"But Tampa's official assistance ended at Raytheon's airport terminal."
"There was a perceived threat, and the family of the person wanted him home right away,'' said Tampa police Sgt. John Solomon. ``The job lasted about five hours. It was handled very quickly."
"`Out Of A Tom Clancy Movie' Meanwhile, Grossi had put Perez on alert and went home to wait. Both men provide security for the National Football League at Raymond James Stadium. Grossi, who retired from the Tampa Police Department in August, has worked in internal affairs and homicide. Perez, who has his own investigative company in St. Petersburg, worked for the FBI for more than 29 years and has experience in counterterrorism and as a bomb technician.
"At 2:30 p.m., Grossi got the call from the police department.
"They said it was happening,'' Grossi said. ``This was out of a Tom Clancy movie.''
"Grossi said he was told the clearance came from the White House after the prince's family pulled a favor from former President Bush. Prince Sultan, the Saudi defense minister, was part of the coalition that fought the Persian Gulf War in 1991.
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