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TIA now verifies flight of Saudis
St. Petersburg Times ^ | 06-09-04 | JEAN HELLER

Posted on 06/09/2004 10:38:46 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker

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1 posted on 06/09/2004 10:38:47 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I thought Richard Clarke admitted that he authorized the flights?


2 posted on 06/09/2004 10:42:40 AM PDT by KJacob (No military in the history of the world has fought so hard and so often for the freedom of others.)
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To: KJacob
I thought Richard Clarke admitted that he authorized the flights?

I beleive the flights to which you refer were the flights that occurred between 9-14 and 9-20.

See: Clarke claims responsibility for bin Ladens' flight

3 posted on 06/09/2004 10:47:52 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Very interesting. However, I suspect that these passengers knew nothing of the impending attack, or they would have left the country before it occurred.


4 posted on 06/09/2004 10:48:14 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

The "evidence" in this story hinges on an eyewitness who says the people in the Learjet flew out on a 727, then from there they come up with names? While I think this Learjet flight took place, the chain of evidence is weak, at best, in regards to who was on the plane.


5 posted on 06/09/2004 10:49:24 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Unverifiable tail numbers? Unverifiable airplane type? Unverifiable passenger manifest? Unlocatable law officer? Sounds to me like this is a hit piece for the 9/11 "Commission" on GWB.

Plus, the author does not even know that Tampa International Airport = TPA, not "TIA"? Come on.


6 posted on 06/09/2004 10:50:12 AM PDT by astounded
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To: KJacob

That is my recollection as well.


7 posted on 06/09/2004 10:50:36 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: expatpat

they flew to Lexington KY to hook up with the Saudi owner of the race horse War Emblem - he knew about 9-11 in advance (Gerald Posner's book), and was later found dead of a "heart attack" at age 43.


8 posted on 06/09/2004 10:52:24 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: KJacob

He did.....the press didn't think it was worth reporting.


9 posted on 06/09/2004 10:53:17 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: expatpat
The problem is, as I understand it, that all non-military flights were grounded for a while after 9/11. These flights would be the exception. So what we have is flights with a bunch of Saudis on board.

Why would the few flights which were allowed to take place first be denied by government officials?

Why would flights with Saudis on board be the few flights that would be allowed?

10 posted on 06/09/2004 10:53:20 AM PDT by JeepInMazar
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To: JeepInMazar

"Why would the few flights which were allowed to take place first be denied by government officials?

Why would flights with Saudis on board be the few flights that would be allowed?"




Questions that will need good answers.


11 posted on 06/09/2004 10:55:13 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
From your posted link:

"On 9-11, 9-12 and 9-13, many things didn't get any higher than me," he said. "I decided it in consultation with the FBI."

It appears that Clarke is admitting responsibility for a wider range of dates than just 9-14 thru 9-20.

12 posted on 06/09/2004 11:04:35 AM PDT by Columbine (Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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To: astounded

Actually, Tampa International Airport = TIA


13 posted on 06/09/2004 11:06:49 AM PDT by Mayflower Sister
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To: astounded
Plus, the author does not even know that Tampa International Airport = TPA, not "TIA"? Come on.

I don't think the author was trying to use the FAA airport abbreviation. (TPA) Instead, I think she was just abbreviating "Tampa International Airport". (TIA)

14 posted on 06/09/2004 11:07:43 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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Excuse my ignorance, perhaps I'm not "getting" something here, but this entire story that's been touted by the extreme left AND right seems like nothing more than a red herring to me.

Let's say it was true, that a group of Saudi citizens were flown out of the country shortly after 9/11. Two possibilities are then the explaination:

1. That our government was somehow involved, either actively or passively, in "covering up" some link between themselves and the terrorists. That is to say, this story of Saudis being whisked away shortly after 9/11 is only the TIP of some kind of global conspiracy that would make even Fox Mulder himself shudder.

OR...

2. The government, more specifically, President Bush realized that these people probably felt uncomfortable in the US after the worst terrorist attack in our nations history. In his desire (perhaps misplaced, but an HONEST desire) to maintain good relations with SA, he allowed the royal family members to leave. The reports of their early departure were denied, simply because his honest desire to maintain good relations with SA WOULD be twisted into some kind of government conspiracy, or pure incompetence on his part, or both, JUST as it is now.

I think the rational conclusion is #2. Kind of disappointing, that he (Bush) wouldn't put enough faith in his supporters to tell the truth about it, but hardly proof of a national conspiracy (or international), which, (and this is an important point to consider):

IF WE REJECT #2, THEN WE CAN ONLY BE LEFT WITH #1!

So, why believe in something so bizzare, so Orwellian, as option #1, if we don't have to? Why worry about something like that, when a perfectly reasonable explaination exists otherwise?

No reason at all, unless one permits conspiracy theories to substitute for facts.


15 posted on 06/09/2004 11:15:50 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Mayflower Sister
Actually, Tampa International Airport = TIA

TPA per this http://help.yahoo.com/help/maps/maps-13.html and this:
http://www.airportcitycodes.com/aaa/usstatewisecodes.aspx

TIA - Tirana, Albania - Rinas
http://flyaow.com//airportcode.htm#T

16 posted on 06/09/2004 11:28:27 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: FourtySeven
So, why believe in something so bizzare, so Orwellian, as option #1, if we don't have to? Why worry about something like that, when a perfectly reasonable explaination exists otherwise?

Assuming the only choices are the two you presented.

At this point, I think it's too early to conclude anything because we still don't have all the facts.

17 posted on 06/09/2004 11:32:59 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: PAR35
TPA per this http://help.yahoo.com/help/maps/maps-13.html and this: http://www.airportcitycodes.com/aaa/usstatewisecodes.aspx

Again, I don't think the author was specifically referencing the FAA airport designation of TPA, but rather simply abbreviating Tampa International Airport as TIA.

Maybe some Tampa residents will chime in and provide us with the local terminology for the airport.

18 posted on 06/09/2004 11:35:25 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

TPA is the code for the Tampa International Airport just as MCO is the code for Orlando. However, locals refer to the Tampa International Airport by its abbreviation, TIA.


19 posted on 06/09/2004 11:44:42 AM PDT by TheCPA (Co-author of Tax Stategies for the Self-Employed)
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To: TheCPA; PAR35; astounded
TPA is the code for the Tampa International Airport just as MCO is the code for Orlando. However, locals refer to the Tampa International Airport by its abbreviation, TIA.

Thanks for the info.

20 posted on 06/09/2004 11:46:52 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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