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A New Ice Age? None Soon, Snow 2 Miles Deep Implies
NY Times ^ | June 10, 2004 | ANDREW C. REVKIN

Posted on 06/11/2004 11:42:55 PM PDT by neverdem

Despite the recent trend toward global warming, scientists have long wondered whether the earth is nearing another ice age, an end to the 12,000-year temperate spell in which modern civilizations arose. Some have said such a transition is overdue, given that each of the three temperate intervals that immediately preceded the current one lasted only about 10,000 years.

But now, in an eagerly awaited study, a group of climate and ice experts say they have new evidence that earth is not even halfway through the current warm era. The evidence comes from the oldest layers of Antarctic ice ever sampled.

Some scientists earlier proposed similar hypotheses, basing them on the current configuration of earth's orbit, which seems to set the metronome that ice ages dance to. Temperature patterns deciphered in sea-bottom sediments in recent years supported the theory.

But experts say the new ice data are by far the strongest corroborating evidence, revealing many similarities between today's atmospheric and temperature patterns and those of a prolonged warm interval, with a duration of 28,000 years, that reached its peak 430,000 years ago.

The findings are described today in the journal Nature by the European Project for Ice Coring in Antarctica.

The evidence comes from a shaft of ice extracted over five grueling years from Antarctica's deep-frozen innards, composed of thousands of ice layers that were formed as each year's snowfall was compressed over time.

The deepest ice retrieved so far comes from layers 10,000 feet deep and dates back 740,000 years. The relative abundance of certain forms of hydrogen in the ice reflects past air temperatures.

Many ice cores have been cut from various glaciers and ice sheets around the world, but until now none have reached back beyond 420,000 years, making this core the first to capture fully the conditions during that long-lasting warm period, called Termination V.

"It's very exciting to see ice that fell as snow three-quarters of a million years ago," said Dr. Eric W. Wolff, an author of the paper who is an ice core expert with the British Antarctic Survey.

Several independent researchers familiar with the project said the case that the current warm period would be prolonged was now strong. Yet even with this new evidence, they said, it is based on a sketchy view of the climatic past.

One expert, Dr. Gerard C. Bond of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University, said that even though earth's orbital characteristics were similar to those of 400,000 years ago, and even though sea and ice records showed similar temperatures, one match did not necessarily make a pattern.

Still, Dr. Jerry F. McManus of the the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, an expert on oceans and past climates, wrote a commentary for Nature in which he described the new ice core record as "spectacular."

Dr. McManus said it was particularly important because it gave the first full view of conditions during a past warm interval that, in terms of both the planet's orbit and its atmospheric conditions, was most like the current one.

He and the paper's authors also noted that there was a wild card now that could cause the current era to stray from past patterns: the intensification of earth's natural insulating "greenhouse effect" by smokestack and tailpipe emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases.

Many experts said the most important data from the new ice core were yet to come, because the researchers had only just begun to analyze air bubbles trapped when the various layers formed. The bubbles are an archive of past atmospheric conditions that can show how greenhouse gases and temperatures varied long before humans were an influence.

Dr. Richard B. Alley, an ice core expert at Pennsylvania State University not affiliated with the project, called it "a triumph of brilliant persistence" in the face of broken drills and temperatures of 60 below zero at the drilling site, which is hundreds of miles from the nearest permanent research hub.

"The current publication is something akin to the first run on a new accelerator or the first look at a galaxy through the latest mega-telescope," Dr. Alley wrote in an e-mail message. "The results are clearly of value in and of themselves, but are even more exciting for what they promise in the future."


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Twenty five years ago the coming ice age was all the rage. All these prophets of doom should be homeless.
1 posted on 06/11/2004 11:42:57 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: fourdeuce82d; Travis McGee; El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; ...

PING


2 posted on 06/11/2004 11:43:59 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Maybe global warming will save us from the coming ice age? Or something.


3 posted on 06/11/2004 11:56:20 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
An ice age? Impossible, Dr. Al Gore told us we all will be up to our belly buttons in water due to global warming.

If we are really headed to an ice age, perhaps we can all do our part to keep earth warm by buying SUVs and barbecuing all our meals.
4 posted on 06/12/2004 12:00:38 AM PDT by AUH2OY2K
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To: AUH2OY2K
perhaps we can all do our part to keep earth warm by buying SUVs and barbecuing all our meals.

It'll stay plenty warm from all the hot air being emitted by some of these "experts".

5 posted on 06/12/2004 12:07:40 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

yes, excess methane is known to have a warming effect.


6 posted on 06/12/2004 12:11:12 AM PDT by AUH2OY2K
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To: neverdem
In the last days of man, the science-twists garnered research grants away from valid pursuits by using more and more grandiose schemes of fear mongering or by tacking on larger and larger numbers of zeros on the end numbers. Trying always for a more sensationalist project than their fellows in order to grab that ever elusive Grant Dollar with the risk of failure looming ever before them; the real fear of actually having to enter the work force and get a job...

The only causality of the schemes of the greedy was Science itself. And so the scientists of the end days sacrificed their own God on the altar of parasitic laxness.
7 posted on 06/12/2004 2:52:27 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: neverdem

Theory, nothing but theory which is generally total BS.


8 posted on 06/12/2004 3:31:22 AM PDT by Dustbunny
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To: neverdem

The sky is falling you know.


9 posted on 06/12/2004 4:30:08 AM PDT by damncat (Your brain on liberalism, get the picture?)
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To: AUH2OY2K

Me and my TWO SUVs are moving from coastal Virginia to Arizona (think of all the gas they and the moving truck will burn) where I can BBQ with fresh mesquite every day.

Will that help with the "coming ice age?"

(The AZ place is at 5,000 foot elevation just in case.) ;-)


10 posted on 06/12/2004 4:33:21 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Those terrorists must be real "he-men" if a pair of panties puts them over the edge.)
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To: neverdem
The bubbles are an archive of past atmospheric conditions that can show how greenhouse gases and temperatures varied long before humans were an influence

Or perhaps human influence is unimportant, or even nonexistent?

The Vostok ice cores show clearly that average surface temperature is NEVER stable, that fluctuations in "climate" are a constant feature of Earth, and that the null hypothesis of the global warming maniacs-that the surface temperature SHOULD be stable, that it is NORMAL for it to be stable, and that THEREFORE observed change is ABNORMAL and needs an anthropic explanation is FALSE, FALSE, FALSE.


11 posted on 06/12/2004 4:38:08 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: neverdem

http://www.iceagenow.com/


12 posted on 06/12/2004 4:43:25 AM PDT by kabar
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To: neverdem
No.....
 
NO...........
 
 
 
NOOOO!!!!!
 
 
 
 
It's global WARMING; you IDIOT!!!! 

13 posted on 06/12/2004 4:44:04 AM PDT by Elsie (There is nothing you can't achieve if you are willing to give other people the credit...)
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To: neverdem

The poor enviro-wackos must be really desponent every morning, when they wake up and find the world is still here...


14 posted on 06/12/2004 5:29:11 AM PDT by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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To: neverdem
Didn't you see "The Day After Tomorrow"?

Man, the Ice Age is coming THIS WEEKEND!!!! AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

15 posted on 06/12/2004 5:36:54 AM PDT by cincinnati65 (Just up the road a piece.......)
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To: CPOSharky

Arizona, like the coast of Texas, could use a little ice age. Your 5000 ft elevation will be a good thing. I live at 60ft elevation & its hotter than you know where.


16 posted on 06/12/2004 5:53:42 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Dustbunny
Theory, nothing but theory which is generally total BS.

A theory in science is not just some random guess. The complexities of atmospheric research are immense and the systems and mechanisms are so chaotic that prediction and characterization is extremely difficult. Fortunately the Antarctic ice coring gives us an incredible wealth of knowledge about the composition of the atmosphere over time.

17 posted on 06/12/2004 6:02:08 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer

All I know right now is it's nine days from solstice, and my outside thermometer reads 43 deg. at 6:25 AM.

Gotta start my pellet stove...


18 posted on 06/12/2004 6:23:01 AM PDT by djf
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To: CPOSharky
You are doing your part in protecting us from the ice age. You are a true environmentalist.

As for the mesquite BBQ, I don't believe you. Please send your finest samples of smoked trout, chicken, and pork to me as evidence. I live next door in Las Vegas.
19 posted on 06/12/2004 11:38:08 AM PDT by AUH2OY2K
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To: AUH2OY2K

Not quite next door. I'll be in Sierra Vista, about 80 miles south-east of Tucson.

But if you show up here, I'll see what's cooking.


20 posted on 06/12/2004 12:09:45 PM PDT by CPOSharky (Those terrorists must be real "he-men" if a pair of panties puts them over the edge.)
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