UKIP set to grab 20% in Euro poll (REJECTING THE EU UPDATE)

The Sunday Times ^ | June 13, 2004 | David Cracknell and David Smith

[MadIvan]

All in all, the UK is turning around and facing the EU with a snarl. Lovely.

You can read more about the UKIP here:

The UK Independence Party
The 5 Essential Freedoms

Regards, Ivan

[MadIvan]

Ping!

[BlessedBeGod]

The UKIP has recently won the support of Robert Kilroy-Silk and Joan Collins.

And Simon Cowell, too, I understand (from The Telegraph).

[Carcharodon]

The article should say England, not Britain. Ukip has had no success in Scotland.

[MadIvan]

The UKIP needs to hit Scotland harder in my opinion - the SNP is the most pro-European party in the EU. That's a vulnerability it has yet to exploit - that Nationalists will sell Scotland up the river to Brussels, whereas the UKIP won't.

Regards, Ivan

[Dallas59]

Of course the EU Socialists will claim Bush has used the Dangerous American Brain Ray Machine on innocent Britains!

[MadIvan]

Of course the EU Socialists will claim Bush has used the Dangerous American Brain Ray Machine on innocent Britains!

And me without my tin foil beanie. :)

Regards, Ivan

[Carcharodon]

The SNP are actually rather anti Europe, especially in regards to the Common Fisheries Policy. They did have a vision of becoming independent and scumming off loadsafunds like the Irish did but see now that's a non-starter.

Anyway, Kilroy-Silk would be beaten senseless if he appeared up ae Glesgae strits.

[Straight Vermonter]

Interesting how a true multi-party system makes as few as 20% of voters a powerful bloc who have a voice in guiding their nation.

[MadIvan]

The last I heard Alex Salmond speak (and yes, I know he's no longer leader), he was sounding like he was negotiating the terms of surrender to Brussels. In any event, I doubt the SNP is going to take quite the stand the UKIP would - that is definitely a difference.

And I agree, there needs to be a Scottish representative of the UKIP campaigning in Scotland.

Regards, Ivan

[MadIvan]

The UK used to be a two party system...we appear to be breaking out of that by stages. It is fair to say, and the newspapers have repeated it ad nauseam, that we are a 3 party system (Labour, Tories, Lib Dems). I see no particular harm in this. Let's have a system by which we are not bound by Eeny or Meeny - let's have genuine ideological differences and a competition of ideas.

Regards, Ivan

[weegie]

The Scottish people are very well aware of the pro - Europe stance of the SNP. The Scottish people are generally much more pro EU than the English

[risk]

Most Europeans I know, including some Irish, are saying that the EU is a great idea and will just make everything easier. When I reveal my apprehension about loss of sovereignty they thumb their noses and say that I'm talking about Empire. It isn't all about convenience, though, is it? There are serious problems with the constitution, centralizing of authority, loss of true independence, and a homogenizing of culture coming with the EU. I'm interesting to hear your thoughts, MI. And it's great to see you back online. FR is all the better with you participating.

[datura]

Remember Ivan, that here in the US our political views are extremely polarized - basically you're either "with us or against us" - with the Democrats being against all that our nation was founded upon.

Also, since we aren't a Parliamentary system, having to form coalitions in order to secure the top leadership position is unheard of here. Until this election, I too thought of Britain as having two parties: Labour and Torie. I'd hate to see your system there devolve into one such as Russia's with so many parties that keeping track of them would be a full time job.

We all wish you the best of luck at staying out of the damned EU - by fully assimilating into that one world government test, your nation will learn what our founders meant about "taxation without representation". Likewise they'll understand why America chose revolution over the King's rule.

[OldFriend]

If they are unable to report poll results, how is it that they are allowed to report 'forecasts'.....or are they like our own media?

[MadIvan]

If they are unable to report poll results, how is it that they are allowed to report 'forecasts'.....or are they like our own media?

Perhaps it's like a line from the Bard, "a custom more honoured in the breach than the observance." ;)

Regards, Ivan

[Desdemona]

The last I heard Alex Salmond speak (and yes, I know he's no longer leader), he was sounding like he was negotiating the terms of surrender to Brussels.

Why would anyone surrender to Brussels?

[Desdemona]

Most Europeans I know, including some Irish, are saying that the EU is a great idea and will just make everything easier. When I reveal my apprehension about loss of sovereignty they thumb their noses and say that I'm talking about Empire. It isn't all about convenience, though, is it?

That's a little backwards isn't it.

[MadIvan]

Why would anyone surrender to Brussels?

Salmond thinks Scotland will get loads of money in terms of EU structural funds.

Regards, Ivan

[Desdemona]

Salmond thinks Scotland will get loads of money in terms of EU structural funds.

And The Hague is jut going to send cash? Be realistic about who's running the show over there and hope everyone survives when the next European ground war starts.