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To: ellery

>>The FBI has admitted using the Patriot Act for nonterrorism investigations, such as cases involving corruption in a Las Vegas strip club, drug trafficking and other criminal activity.

They lied. They said they wouldn't use it for stuff like this.

So, why trust them now with unprecedented powers?

More power to Bob Barr.


8 posted on 06/14/2004 1:31:33 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
"They lied. They said they wouldn't use it for stuff like this. "

Congress said the money laundering provisions would be used for just that when they passed it.
I've posted the quotes over and over.

Have you any quotes showing that the FBI was going to defy Congress-as you claim?
I didn't think so. A Big Lie is never defended, it's just repeated over and over.

13 posted on 06/14/2004 1:44:21 PM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: swarthyguy
The FBI has admitted using the Patriot Act for nonterrorism investigations, such as cases involving corruption in a Las Vegas strip club, drug trafficking and other criminal activity...They lied. They said they wouldn't use it for stuff like this...So, why trust them now with unprecedented powers?

An aged farmer has a reckless son who, because of his previous behavior cannot be trusted with firearms. The son keeps asking to use his daddy's shotgun, but his father, remembering what happened the last time he loaned it, keeps telling him no.

One night bears attack the farmer's horses. The son once again asks for the shotgun. The farmer is reluctant, but once he sees what the bears did to his horses, he becomes enraged and gives his son the shotgun. The son, like before promises not to misuse the gun.

The son chases the bears off to the farmer's relief. But later that night the son staggers around the yard with a bottle of whiskey in one hand and the shotgun in the other, blasting shots into the darkness in a drunken stupor, hooting and hollering and putting holes in whatever catches his fancy.

The next day the son tells his father that the bears aren't dead and now he needs a rifle. If the farmer gives him one, is he a fool?

16 posted on 06/14/2004 1:49:38 PM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: swarthyguy

Before The Patriot Act came into effect. Law enforcement could go after the mob but were not able to go after terrorist. Now they can. Of course you have to get a search warrant before you do all this. Wouldn't it be nice to catch a child molestor this way!? With a search warrant of course.


18 posted on 06/14/2004 1:53:51 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: swarthyguy

The same folks that gave us Ruby Ridge in Idaho,the Branch Davidians in Texas,Echelon,Carnivore, use of Patriot actI for cases not involving terrorism & lying about all of the above continuosly want us to trust them with this ?

Some of our elected leaders are starting to look more like the old political commisars from the bad old days behind the Iron Curtain.


52 posted on 06/14/2004 3:50:04 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 REACH OUT & THUMP SOMEONE .50BMG REACH OUT & CRUSH SOMEONE!)
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