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Post Office will be opening your Media Mail
My Post Office ^ | 6/15/2004 | gasshog

Posted on 06/15/2004 2:57:43 PM PDT by Gasshog

The clerk at my local Post Office gave me this bit of news today. It is also being talked about on the eBay Boards. USPS is going to open and check every bit of "Media mail" (used to be book rate) to make sure the packages dont contain anything that is not allowed by the regulations. Here is what the clerk told me today: At first they issued a notice that anyone with Media mail had to bring it in UNSEALED before that would accept it, then the clerk told me that they changed that directive so the clerks had to open the mail themselves. He told me that he had personally opened packages that day. And he still wasn't sure if that was the final directive...they may go to "checking" Media mail at the main Post Office (Louisville, KY).

I didn't find anything on the USPS website to support what he told me and I checked Google as well. The USPS latest News releases are strangely silent about this new invasion of people's privacy.


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Folks the gubmint continues to insult your intellegence, because it is so easy to see through this ploy. USPS wants to get rid of the Media rate, instead of just doing so they will waste $$$ of dollars now using extra materials, time and manpower to rip open every Media mail package, check its contents and reseal it (if it meets Media mail standards of course). Is this cheaper than "losing" money because of people who abuse Media mail by not following the standards? The Post Office would like you to believe this I suppose. The real agenda is to compel everyone to quit using it and make you buy the higher priced services.

What everyone who is upset about this should do!!

Wrap your media mail REALLY GOOD... if you put that little item in 10-12 sucessively larger boxes and use a roll of tape to seal it all up, get the picture?

IF enough people will do this USPS will drop this nonsense pretty fast.

1 posted on 06/15/2004 2:57:44 PM PDT by Gasshog
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To: Gasshog

I ship books that I sell on eBay via media mail, and for fear of dampness, I wrap the holy hell out of 'em. (I warn the buyers that they'll have to go through several layers of plastic.) They're usually inside six or seven plastic bags, then a gallon Ziploc, and then the box. Now I'll get to put tape around each layer.


2 posted on 06/15/2004 3:00:49 PM PDT by Xenalyte (This dog bite me.)
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To: Gasshog

I don't understand. What is media mail? Books? CDs? What?


3 posted on 06/15/2004 3:00:53 PM PDT by Judith Anne ("The convictions that shaped the president began to shape the times..." President G.W. Bush)
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To: Hap; Xenalyte

Ping!


4 posted on 06/15/2004 3:00:57 PM PDT by Bacon Man (Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.)
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To: Judith Anne

It's what used to be called "book rate."


5 posted on 06/15/2004 3:01:11 PM PDT by Xenalyte (This dog bite me.)
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To: Bacon Man

Beat you to it!


6 posted on 06/15/2004 3:01:21 PM PDT by Xenalyte (This dog bite me.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Yo PJ, whatcha think of this?


7 posted on 06/15/2004 3:01:34 PM PDT by Xenalyte (This dog bite me.)
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To: Gasshog
I'd hold off 'till I heard this from a slightly more authoritative source.

(steely)

8 posted on 06/15/2004 3:01:45 PM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Judith Anne

Books, but not magazines.

CDs, but not ROM cartridges.


9 posted on 06/15/2004 3:02:40 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Gasshog

UPS ping. Cheaper as well.

Before long the USPS won't have anything to do but go to union meetings.


10 posted on 06/15/2004 3:03:15 PM PDT by snooker (Reagan has put the smile back on America's face ... again. Can't you feel it?)
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To: Gasshog
"the clerks had to open the mail themselves."

Our tax dollars at work....

11 posted on 06/15/2004 3:04:42 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: Gasshog

Are we talking about Second Class Mail here? the rate for periodicals?


12 posted on 06/15/2004 3:04:50 PM PDT by Military family member (Proud Pacers fan...still)
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To: proxy_user

Good, maybe I can stop getting all the damn AOL trial disks. I have enough free minutes now to use AOL for the next ten years.


13 posted on 06/15/2004 3:06:03 PM PDT by Military family member (Proud Pacers fan...still)
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To: Gasshog

Considering the amount of mail the post office delivers I think this is hog wash. However, I send a email to someone with pretty good knowledge within USPS and will post his reply here....


14 posted on 06/15/2004 3:07:44 PM PDT by STFrancis
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To: Judith Anne

I've used Media Mail to ship computer disks (i.e. floppies) and VHS/audio cassettes as well.


15 posted on 06/15/2004 3:08:13 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace (Michael <a href = "http://www.michaelmoore.com/" title="Miserable Failure">"Miserable Failure"</a>)
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To: Gasshog; Foxfire4

Pinging the wife unit since she sells some of her used books on eBay and half.com, and ships them Media Mail. The rates are actually quite reasonable and we've never had any trouble with the USPS.

}:-)4


16 posted on 06/15/2004 3:09:35 PM PDT by Moose4 (Yes, it's just an excuse for me to post more pictures of my cats. Deal with it.)
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To: Gasshog

A postal clerk I spoke to the other day said that when using media mail, we can't even include an invoice. I'm hoping that's wrong. I buy and sell books on eBay and amazon, and we need to include invoices. Sounds like they just want us to use the higher rates. (I do sometimes anyway, especially for rare books.)


17 posted on 06/15/2004 3:09:48 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Military family member
When in doubt, go to the source.

USPS.Com - Media Mail

18 posted on 06/15/2004 3:10:12 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace (Michael <a href = "http://www.michaelmoore.com/" title="Miserable Failure">"Miserable Failure"</a>)
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To: Gasshog

I'd be worried about getting an empty envelope mailed to me. "Hmm! I like this book. Ummm! I need to set this aside to investigate in my spare time. Reseal the envelope and send it on its way."


19 posted on 06/15/2004 3:10:42 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: snooker
UPS ping. Cheaper as well.

Media mail is dirt cheap compared to anything else. I entered a 10 pound package from Ohio to California.

UPS Ground = $11.45.
USPS Parcel Post= $18.14
USPS Media Mail = $4.84

I can understand why they want to upsell to Parcel Post. $13+ for essentially the same service.

20 posted on 06/15/2004 3:12:10 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Teach a Democrat to fish and he will curse you for not just giving him the fish.)
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To: Gasshog
I don't buy this for a second. The US Postal Service ships WAY TO MANY packages to sit around and open and reseal them.

I just mailed a book last Wednesday that I sold on Amazon.com using media mail, and the clerk never mentioned any changes.
21 posted on 06/15/2004 3:12:56 PM PDT by zencat (Visit my profile for MAGNETIC Bush/Cheney '04 bumper stickers!)
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

So I am still going to get the AOL disks.


22 posted on 06/15/2004 3:13:57 PM PDT by Military family member (Proud Pacers fan...still)
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To: MizSterious

That can't be right. The USPS site (see above) specifies no advertising (i.e. catalogues), but does not exclude invoice/packing slips. I don't see how they can do that.


23 posted on 06/15/2004 3:18:52 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace (Michael <a href = "http://www.michaelmoore.com/" title="Miserable Failure">"Miserable Failure"</a>)
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To: Military family member

I'm guessing the AOL disks are being sent Bulk Rate, which is completely different than Media Mail.


24 posted on 06/15/2004 3:20:02 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace (Michael <a href = "http://www.michaelmoore.com/" title="Miserable Failure">"Miserable Failure"</a>)
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To: Gasshog

"The USPS latest News releases are strangely silent about this new invasion of people's privacy."

I am not sure there is any expectation of privacy shipping packages through the mail. The Postal Service has some fairly broad powers to open and inspect an awful lot of things, including UPS and FEDEx overnight packages in fedex and UPS facilities. This was actually done several years ago, though the backlash was sharp and the rule was not invoked again.


25 posted on 06/15/2004 3:20:58 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Gasshog

Just 15 minutes ago I picked up a package from a friend that had "Media Mail" stamped on it -- I had never heard this term before -- and sure enough, it had been opened -- part of the wrapping was ripped. So I am here to verify your story. Also proves you can get all the news you need at FR.


26 posted on 06/15/2004 3:21:40 PM PDT by speedy
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To: zencat

I agree, the volume of mail to open is mind-numbing. I just reported what the local clerk told me. It is a small town P.O. so they might be able to open everything "media" in such a location.

I have also heard the "inspections" are random which would be more feasible. I still think it is just a thinly veiled tactic to get people to use the higher priced services. There are some eBay users that are pretty hot about this, the ones who make a living selling DVDs, videos and vinyl records.


27 posted on 06/15/2004 3:31:25 PM PDT by Gasshog (eyes open, mouth too! tough!)
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To: Xenalyte
I ordered a rosary from Canada on eBay and the package arrived empty. The seller sent me another rosary to compensate and she wrapped it VERY well in a plastic bag with tin foil overlapped with about 20 rotations of duct tape in a padded bag lined with extra padding. The bag arrived fulled opened and a note from the customs / drug inspections saying they opened it.

What a surprise they must have had. Expecting drugs and finding a rosary.

28 posted on 06/15/2004 3:32:37 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: KarlInOhio
Can anybody confirm that private shipping like UPS can not ship at a lower price then the USPS.

We need to privatize our postal services?
With privatization, we probably could shipp all 10 pound packages for $4.84

29 posted on 06/15/2004 3:33:57 PM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

I believe the justification is that invoices and packing slips have to be mailed first class. If part of the package has to be mailed first class, then all of the package has to be mailed first class (there are some exceptions).


30 posted on 06/15/2004 3:34:43 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: Xenalyte

We ship antiques Priority Mail and old books Media Mail all over the world after selling them on ebay. Our Postal guy is to lazy to open them, but he does ask what we are sending and he has said they can be opened to inspect them. He tells us this with everything we mail. I just say, "yeah, yeah" and go on. He says some people try to take advantage of the Media Mail rates and send other stuff besides what they are supposed to be sending. It's old to us now.


31 posted on 06/15/2004 3:34:48 PM PDT by freedom4ever
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To: Gasshog

I send a lot of media mail as audiobooks on cassette and CDs sold on eBay. I have been grilled extensively at the PO for packages that are light but rattle (cassettes) and thin and light (CDs). Gone of the days of the old bookrate as the only "media".


32 posted on 06/15/2004 3:34:53 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: Xenalyte

Better start putting some newspapers or paper towels on before the plastic unless you want those turkeys to sweat.


33 posted on 06/15/2004 3:35:06 PM PDT by Old Professer (lust; pure, visceral groin-grinding, sweat-popping, heart-pounding staccato bursts of shooting stars)
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To: Xenalyte

We ship antiques Priority Mail and old books Media Mail all over the world after selling them on ebay. Our Postal guy is to lazy to open them, but he does ask what we are sending and he has said they can be opened to inspect them. He tells us this with everything we mail. I just say, "yeah, yeah" and go on. He says some people try to take advantage of the Media Mail rates and send other stuff besides what they are supposed to be sending. It's old to us now.


34 posted on 06/15/2004 3:35:40 PM PDT by freedom4ever
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To: Gasshog
Wrap your media mail REALLY GOOD... if you put that little item in 10-12 sucessively larger boxes and use a roll of tape to seal it all up, get the picture?

When I got mine that was wrapped like this it came in a clear plastic bag and a note from customs that the package was unwrapped. They do not re-wrap.

35 posted on 06/15/2004 3:36:26 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: Gasshog

This is just plain stupid. The local post office counter has been closed to the public in my Zip Code for about a year. Said they couldn't afford to keep it open. They already are only open 9-4, so anyone who works has a tough time getting there to handle any mailings they have.
This sounds like a push to get the public to pay more for other rate categories. Any way we look at it, they are violating my privacy with opening things, and items coming up missing. What insurance can be obtained on media mail rate?
Seems like the USPS has been going backward for quite some time. Whoever thought of this has a screw loose. If they want to x-ray or something because they are suspicious, that is entirely different from OPENING EVERY media mail item.
I sent a payment by priority mail a couple of weeks ago and was informed they wouldn't take it unless I had my return address on it. I am lazy about doing that. I was informed they would hold it up and open it and return it to me if I didn't put a return address on it. As you can expect, I was paying $3.85 to send a payment that was borderline late. Now they will hold it, open it, and return it????? Then it will really be late, and they will have gotten my $3.85. Arrongance, pure arrogance.


36 posted on 06/15/2004 3:43:53 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: ReformedBeckite

I thought they had privatized the USPS a few years ago. Well, maybe not exactly "private" enterprise, but it has some sort of separation from the main part of "Government".


37 posted on 06/15/2004 3:45:44 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: HungarianGypsy
I'd be worried about getting an empty envelope mailed to me. "Hmm! I like this book.

Right. The prospects for rampant theft would seem to loom large with Postal Workers being able to see "whats inside" and decide whether they wanted to keep it or not!

More than likely every PO worker assigned to media mail inspection will have an GS-12 Overseer or some such person, so that the expense for carrying out this lunacy will be doubled at the least!

I posted this thread under Activism, because I think this practice, in whatever capacity it is being carried out -- should come to a swift halt. I know some people have NEVER even heard of Media mail, book rate or whatever but this is something that should be broadcast on the internet, in emails, etc.

If people take action maybe these morons at the USPS will think twice about HOW they try to manipulate the ones who keep them in business... US!

Sure, the media mail system is abused but is opening media mail packages, randomly or at all -- the answer??

Is this all designed to sabotage the media mail service so they can terminate it? I have to wonder.

(Note to Postal Workers: If you arent in the GS-series my apologies, I never worked for the post office!)
^____^

38 posted on 06/15/2004 3:49:49 PM PDT by Gasshog (eyes open, mouth too! tough!)
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To: Xenalyte
Yo PJ, whatcha think of this?

I already mentioned this on another thread yesterday. Postal clerk opened my two Media Mail packages. Fortunately I had books in both. I guess some people were sneaking other items by in order to take advantage of the lower Media Mail rates.....or might it have something to do with world events?

39 posted on 06/15/2004 4:04:06 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: Xenalyte; pax_et_bonum; bobbyd
I didn't know you were an ebay'er. That's four HAT ebay'ers I know of.

I've had good luck and pitiful luck with books. Timing. . . it's all in the timing.

40 posted on 06/15/2004 4:08:08 PM PDT by Flyer (This dog bite me)
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To: Moose4
Pinging the wife unit since she sells some of her used books on eBay and half.com, and ships them Media Mail.

She still sells on Half.com? I quit doing that months ago. At first Half.Com was really good but for the past couple of years it has gone downhill. I understand that eBay will be shutting it down in a few months. I find eBay a much better venue to sell books. I guess people prefer the auction process.

41 posted on 06/15/2004 4:08:47 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: KarlInOhio
Media mail is dirt cheap compared to anything else.

Actually the Priority Mail flat rate envelope is the best deal. Just $3.85. But it must fit in the flat rate envelope. What I do is see if the book will fit in the flat rate Priority Mail envelope when I list it. If it does, then I offer Priority Mail shipping. If not, then it goes Media Mail. Shipped 2 books out today via Priority Mail but tomorrow I will be shipping at least 2 books out via Media Mail.

42 posted on 06/15/2004 4:12:16 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: Flyer
I've had good luck and pitiful luck with books. Timing. . . it's all in the timing.

Actually it is only partly timing. It also depends on the types of books you sell. 4 years ago even crappy diet books were getting decent money on eBay. However, nowadays even great books sell dirt cheap. For the most part, eBay is a buyers market for books. Luckily by trial and error over the years, I've learned what types of books sell good. However, if I were just getting into book selling now I would get burned quick. Thank God, I did my book selling originally in the glory years and learned what to look for as the market slowed down.

43 posted on 06/15/2004 4:15:50 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: ReformedBeckite

Media Mail is generally cheaper than UPS. However, it is not traceable, and is considerably slower. Keep in mind that the USPS will subsidize some rates and penalize others. Media Mail has to be kept low for things like books for the blind, etc.


44 posted on 06/15/2004 4:16:09 PM PDT by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Old Professer
You wrote:

"turkeys to sweat."

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Turkeys don't sweat...they pant.

FRegards,

45 posted on 06/15/2004 4:16:38 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Clinton's "Cabinet that looked like America"....contained 14 lawyers, and 10 millionaires.)
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To: MizSterious

Why do you need to use an invoice? That's what email is for. If the buyer knows clearly who sold them the item is who shipped them the item, then what's the big deal? If a buyer needs an invoice shipped with the product, then pass on the cost of the increased shipping to them. Me, I either want a book fast, or I want it shipped cheap. If I get to pick, and pay accordingly, I'm happy.


46 posted on 06/15/2004 4:17:06 PM PDT by hunter112
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To: MizSterious
A postal clerk I spoke to the other day said that when using media mail, we can't even include an invoice.

That sounds like BS. The postal clerk saw one of my invoices yesterday and didn't say a thing about it.

47 posted on 06/15/2004 4:17:36 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: PJ-Comix

The Postal Service has filed an experimental mail classification case
(Docket No. MC2004-2) with the Postal Rate Commission ("PRC") to establish
a flat-rate Priority Mail box. The PRC issued its initial order in this
case, setting June 24, 2004, as the deadline to file notices of intervention.

The proposed two-year experiment would have boxes of two different
dimensions, both having the same volume of 0.34 cubic feet. One is
14"X12"X3.5" and the other is 11.25"X8.75"X6". The rate requested by the
Postal Service for each of the flat-rate boxes is $7.70.

The Association of Priority Mail Users will intervene in this case, and can keep you posted about important
events in this case.


48 posted on 06/15/2004 4:23:01 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: hunter112
Me, I either want a book fast, or I want it shipped cheap.

I don't get the sellers who try to make a few extra bucks by overcharging on shipping. All it does is keep their bids down. Sometimes I even offer free shipping if the buyer uses Buy It Now.

49 posted on 06/15/2004 4:24:38 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
The rate requested by the Postal Service for each of the flat-rate boxes is $7.70.

I sure hope they don't get rid of the Flat Rate envelope for Priority Mail. I always ship Priority Mail Flat Rate if the book fits in the envelope.

50 posted on 06/15/2004 4:26:39 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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