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Holterman v. Holterman--Why be Married In New York?
Court Opinion ^ | June 10, 2004 | Judge Graffeo

Posted on 06/18/2004 5:19:17 PM PDT by the bottle let me down

Here is the dissenting opinion's description of the effect of the court's order:

My own calculations suggest that, assuming defendant's income does not much change (and again ignoring the attorneys' fee award) defendant is required to pay more than two-thirds of his after-tax income to plaintiff for the first four years; some sixty percent in the fifth year; about half of it in years six through ten; and nearly a third of it for five years after that. It is not until fifteen years after the award that defendant's obligations (at that point consisting only of maintenance) diminish to something like twelve percent of his income (calculating both the income and the obligations on an after-tax basis).

(Emphasis added)

(Excerpt) Read more at courts.state.ny.us ...


TOPICS: Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: childsupport; courts; divorce; familylaw
The wife filed for the divorce.

Anybody want to tell me why a sane man would ever get married in New York?

1 posted on 06/18/2004 5:19:19 PM PDT by the bottle let me down
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To: the bottle let me down
Anybody want to tell me why a sane man would ever get married in New York?

It's a form of suicide, like choosing to smoke or do drugs.

Think of it as Evolution In Action

So9

2 posted on 06/18/2004 5:23:32 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: the bottle let me down

Tell them to KMA and move! If you have a house - destroy it first.

I would outsource myself.


3 posted on 06/18/2004 6:14:01 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: the bottle let me down
"Constructive abandonment" means the husband refused to have sexual relations with his wife, which is certainly reason enough for her to seek a divorce. As a lawyer who used to handle much less complicated cases than this, I follow the court's reasoning but I think the dissent makes more sense. Still, it's an unusual fact pattern in that most of us don't have to have actuaries determine the present value of our future interest in a professional license so mark this case in the murky realm of accountants category rather than weird justice. Reminds me of the old Gus Kahn song:

He doesn't make much money,
Five thousand dollars per.
Some judge who thinks he's funny
Says, "You give six to her."
The guy says, "Judge,
"What if I fail?
The judge says, "Bud,
"You'll go to jail!
"You'd better keep her.
"My boy, it's cheaper
"Than makin' whoopee."

4 posted on 06/18/2004 6:39:20 PM PDT by Cincinnatus
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To: Cincinnatus

Constructive abandonment; that's better than one of my 2, 12 pack lines.


5 posted on 06/18/2004 7:45:03 PM PDT by Old Professer (lust; pure, visceral groin-grinding, sweat-popping, heart-pounding staccato bursts of shooting stars)
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To: Cincinnatus

Constructive abandonment is reason for a divorce. It is not reason for using Title IV-D legislation in arriving at a child support award, as if is nessecary to demonstrate a need for this kind of order. It is within the equitable power of the court to determine what is the proper amount to award in this case based on the level of support enjoyed durring the marriage. The Title IV-D program is confined to establishing an order for contribution and/or reimbursement.


6 posted on 10/08/2004 7:11:13 AM PDT by right2parent (www.citizensrule.net)
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To: right2parent

Wow! You took 4 months for that response? Let me research this and I'll try to get back to you by Christmas!


7 posted on 10/08/2004 8:36:14 PM PDT by Cincinnatus
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To: Cincinnatus

The program's been misapplied for alot longer than 4 months, and I've been researching this material and pressing a subject matter jurisdiction argument for alot longer too. If you need help before Christmas on your research, let me know.

If you're serious about doing some research, follow the history of your revised statutes. Minnesota's authority is derived from our 1937 aid to dependent children act. "Dependent children" are the subject of the law, and a finding of dependency is required for the state to acquire jurisdiction under this program.

Do you know what a "dependent child" is? It's defined in federal and state law. You should really look it up. Also keep in mind, the subject class of a law is not changed be amendment. This law is justified on the basis of dependency, a state's pecuniary interest.


8 posted on 10/12/2004 5:25:06 AM PDT by right2parent (www.citizensrule.net)
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To: right2parent
This law is justified on the basis of dependency, a state's pecuniary interest.

Now you have my interest! It's been a long time since I traversed the history of the subject, but I think it is quite true that in New York support matters were originally in fact only brought when the state's interest became involved. I was wondering just today in reviewing a petition for support brought against one of my clients why the standard form has a paragraph to the effect that "I have applied for support services to the Department of Social Services" when that clearly is not the case many times. Any case law that you know of determining the subject?

9 posted on 10/12/2004 12:46:22 PM PDT by Cincinnatus
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Here is a case that describes the courts first duty to determine whether there is a need, before they determine what amount is due: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=mn&vol=apppub%5C9610%5C997&invol=1


10 posted on 10/15/2004 7:44:55 AM PDT by right2parent (www.citizensrule.net)
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