RED ALERT: Socialist agenda being pushed through the California Legislature

[farmfriend]

Of what importance is that if our budget balloons with these bills, if we can't manage our own property, if our counties go backrupt?

[farmfriend]

in exchange for billions of dollars in payments to the state over the next quarter-century.

To the state, not to the locals who pay for all the police and firemen. These counties are already hurting because of the amount of federal land that is not on the tax rolls. Now he will take more off. The counties won't survive. Is this what you supported him for? Increases in government budget and bureaucracy?

[Jeff Gordon]

I expect him to do what every politician is supposed to do, listen to his constituents.

If he fails to keep his word on this subject what are you going to say when he fails to keep is word on a subject near and dear to you?

I would rather have a politician that has principles and stands by those principles without regard to the prevailing wind. This concept is (among others things) what made Reagan our greatest and most loved President since George Washington.

I hate the whole concept of this bill but I would be truely pissed if Arnold went back on his word. Climb all over our Republican legislators to keep this bill from getting to Arnold. Kick their butts good and hard, but leave Arnie alone.

[Jeff Gordon]

To the state, not to the locals who pay for all the police and firemen.

Have you considered changing your Freeper name to "Cassandra?"

[farmfriend]

If he fails to keep his word on this subject what are you going to say when he fails to keep is word on a subject near and dear to you?

O, like the driver's licenses for illegals? He has already gone back on that. Cutting the budget? Gone back on that. Cutting the size of government? Gone back on that.

[farmfriend]

Have you considered changing your Freeper name to "Cassandra?"

Excuse me? Is that a personal attack? Shame on you!

[Carry_Okie]

Have you considered changing your Freeper name to "Cassandra?"

Seeing as you don't think this is a problem, I assume therefore, that you think it perfectly OK to do without elected representation in favor of having decisions about how you can use your property made by distant bureaucrats.

I seriously doubt you really understand what that portends. It is the issue that drove the US to separate from Britain, you know.

[Pontiac]

Do you expect him to back down on his word just because the word he gave in this instance really sucks?

As I recall Arnold also promised to bring fiscal responsibility to California.

A state that is flirting with default should not be creating yet more government programs and purchasing more land.

The new government lands after being paid for will require more funds in order to manage the new lands.

California should be selling land to pay off debt and reduce expenses.

[Carry_Okie]

A state that is flirting with default should not be creating yet more government programs and purchasing more land.

Much less destroying a revenue base.

[farmfriend]

I posted it to the Free Republic Network board.

[Jeff Gordon]

Excuse me? Is that a personal attack? Shame on you!

If the shoe fits....

[marty60]

I would call this the Solyent Green Legislation. I wonder how many Hollywood types with Mountain Hidaways will gladly take the forced Gov. payout to lose their property?

[Alia]

Thanks for pinging me.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

As Governor I will propose establishment of a Sierra Nevada Mountains

Has anyone ever been to Mammoth? That whole chain on the way up is a wasteland...Reminds me of how ANWAR is supposed to be "Pristine" but if you see the pictures on NR Online, its above the treeline and completely unihabitable. At least in the Sierra's there is not huge cache of oil that our failure to use is putting us in a National Security risk... I don't get the importance of this issue, with all due respect. Is this going to affect SoCal's ability to get water from up there?

[hedgetrimmer]

Do you expect him to help do away with elected constitutional government just because he promised to do so when he was campaigning?

Don't you think its moral and proper if a politician discovers that a piece of legislation is subversive and is designed to do away with elected representation, that he stop it no matter what his pre election promise was?

[hedgetrimmer]

You can drop in on your representative, read him the parts of the bill that are unconstitutional and then explain to him why the bill is unconstitutional. If he won't let you do that, then ask to testify against the bill so it is on the public record that the bill is unconstitituional and the constituents know that it is.

Believe me, this works, it has worked in many states.

[Jeff Gordon]

Do you expect him to help do away with elected constitutional government just because he promised to do so when he was campaigning?

Strawman arguments are always silly.

[BJungNan]

This has been going on for years - at least 20 years. This is just one more in a very long line. What is so different in this case?

Here is a list of the others:
Altadena Foothills Conservancy *LTA *S&P Altadena, CA CA
Amador Land Trust *LTA *S&P Jackson, CA CA
American River Conservancy *LTA *S&P Coloma, CA CA
Anderson Valley Land Trust *LTA *S&P Boonville, CA CA
Anza-Borrego Foundation *LTA *S&P Borrego Springs, CA CA
Arid Lands Community San Jacinto, CA CA
Atascadero Land Preservation Society *LTA *S&P Atascadero, CA CA
Back Country Land Trust *LTA *S&P El Cajon, CA CA
Ballona Lagoon Marine Preserve *LTA *S&P Culver City, CA CA
Ballona Wetlands Land Trust *S&P Playa del Rey, CA CA
Batiquitos Lagoon Foundation Carlsbad, CA CA
Bay Area Barns and Trails *LTA *S&P Mill Valley, CA CA
Bayfront Conservancy Trust Chula Vista, CA CA
Big Sur Land Trust *LTA *S&P Carmel, CA CA
Bodega Land Trust *LTA *S&P Bodega, CA CA
Bolinas Community Land Trust Bolinas, CA CA
Bolsa Chica Conservancy Huntington Beach, CA CA
Bolsa Chica Land Trust *S&P Huntington Beach, CA CA
Bonsall Conservancy *LTA *S&P Bonsall, CA CA
Brentwood Agricultural Land Trust *LTA *S&P Brentwood, CA CA
The Buckeye Conservancy *LTA *S&P Eureka, CA CA
Butte Creek Watershed Conservancy Chico, CA CA
Butters Land Trust *LTA *S&P Oakland, CA CA
Cache Creek Conservancy *LTA *S&P Woodland, CA CA
Calaveras Open Space Trust *LTA Angels Camp, CA CA
California Institute of Man in Nature/Across California Conservancy Nevada City, CA CA
California Rangeland Trust *LTA *S&P Sacramento, CA CA
Canyons Network Carlsbad, CA CA
Carquinez Strait Preservation Trust *S&P Crockett, CA CA
Caspar Community *LTA *S&P Caspar, CA CA
Catalina Island Conservancy Avalon, CA CA
Cayucos Land Conservancy *LTA *S&P Cayucos, CA CA
Center for Natural Lands Management *LTA *S&P Fallbrook, CA CA, OR, WA
Claremont Wildlands Conservancy *LTA *S&P Claremont, CA CA
Coachella Valley Mountains Conservancy Palm Desert, CA CA
Coastal Land Trust Albion, CA CA
Coastside Preservation & Recreation Inc Moss Beach, CA CA
Comptche Land Conservancy *S&P Comptche, CA CA
Crafton Hills Open Space Conservancy *LTA *S&P Yucaipa, CA CA
Del Monte Forest Foundation Pebble Beach, CA CA
Desert Tortoise Preserve Committee Riverside, CA CA, NV
Dry Creek Conservancy Roseville, CA CA
Eastern Sierra Land Trust *LTA *S&P Bishop, CA CA
El Rio De Los Reyes En Reedley Conservation Trust Reedley, CA CA
Elkhorn Slough Foundation *LTA *S&P Moss Landing, CA CA
The Environmental Trust, Inc. *LTA *S&P La Mesa, CA CA
Escondido Creek Conservancy *LTA *S&P Escondido, CA CA
Fallbrook Land Conservancy *LTA *S&P Fallbrook, CA CA
Feather River Land Trust *LTA *S&P Quincy, CA CA
Foothills Wildlife Conservancy *S&P Monrovia, CA CA
Foundation for the Preservation of the Santa Susana Mountains Chatsworth, CA CA
Friends of Mission Valley Preserve San Diego, CA CA
Friends of the Desert Mountains *LTA Palm Desert, CA CA
Friends of the Dunes *LTA Arcata, CA CA
Friends of the Santa Margarita River Fallbrook, CA CA
Glendora Community Conservancy *S&P Glendora, CA CA
Golden State Land Conservancy *LTA *S&P Ukiah, CA CA
Goleta Valley Land Trust Santa Barbara, CA CA
Greenspace, The Cambria Land Trust *LTA *S&P Cambria, CA CA
The Habitat Trust *LTA *S&P Fayetteville, NC CA, NC
Half Moon Bay Open Space Trust *LTA Half Moon Bay, CA CA
HeartLand Trust *LTA Sherman Oaks, CA CA
Heirloom Trust Occidental, CA CA
Helix Community Conservancy *LTA La Mesa, CA CA
Homestead Valley Land Trust Mill Valley, CA CA
Humboldt North Coast Land Trust *LTA *S&P Trinidad, CA CA
Huntington Beach Wetlands Conservancy *S&P Huntington Beach, CA CA
Inland Mendocino County Land Trust *LTA Ukiah, CA CA
Inland Valley Land Trust Claremont, CA CA
Inter-Canyon League Silverado, CA CA
Iron Mountain Conservancy Ramona, CA CA
Jacoby Creek Land Trust *LTA *S&P Bayside, CA CA
Jamul Trails Council *LTA Jamul, CA CA
Kern River Valley Heritage Foundation *LTA *S&P Lake Isabella, CA CA
Laguna Canyon Conservancy Laguna Beach, CA CA
Laguna de Santa Rosa Foundation *S&P Sebastopol, CA CA
Laguna Greenbelt, Inc. *LTA *S&P Laguna Beach, CA CA
Lake County Land Trust *S&P Lower Lake, CA CA
Land Conservancy of San Luis Obispo County *LTA *S&P San Luis Obispo, CA CA
Land Trust for Santa Barbara County *LTA *S&P Santa Barbara, CA CA
Land Trust for Santa Clara County *LTA *S&P Gilroy, CA CA
Land Trust of Napa County *LTA *S&P Napa, CA CA
Land Trust of Santa Cruz County *LTA *S&P Santa Cruz, CA CA
LandPaths *S&P Santa Rosa, CA CA
Lassen Land and Trails Trust *LTA *S&P Susanville, CA CA
Lompico Watershed Conservancy *S&P Felton, CA CA
Los Angeles Neighborhood Land Trust *LTA Los Angeles, CA CA
Malibu Coastal Land Conservancy Malibu, CA CA
Malibu Trails Association Malibu, CA CA
Marin Agricultural Land Trust *LTA *S&P Point Reyes Station, CA CA
Mattole Restoration Council *LTA Petrolia, CA CA
McKinleyville Land Trust *LTA *S&P McKinleyville, CA CA
Mendocino Agricultural Land Trust Potter Valley, CA CA
Mendocino Land Trust *LTA *S&P Mendocino, CA CA
Merced County Farmlands and Open Space Trust *LTA *S&P Merced, CA CA
Midcoast Park Lands, Inc. El Granada, CA CA
Middle Mountain Foundation *LTA *S&P Live Oak, CA CA
Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District Los Altos, CA CA
Mill Creek Watershed Conservancy Petrolia, CA CA
Minarets Conservancy *LTA North Fork, CA CA
Moat Creek Management Agency *LTA *S&P Point Arena, CA CA
Mojave Desert Heritage & Cultural Association Laguna Beach, CA CA
Monrovia Mountains Conservancy Monrovia, CA CA
Monterey County Agricultural and Historical Land Conservancy *LTA *S&P Salinas, CA CA
Morro Coast Audubon Society *LTA Morro Bay, CA CA
Mountain Meadows Conservancy Westwood, CA CA
Mountains Restoration Trust *LTA *S&P Calabasas, CA CA
Muir Heritage Land Trust *LTA *S&P Martinez, CA CA
The Nature Conservancy, California Field Office *LTA San Francisco, CA CA
Nature Trust of the Santa Monica Mountains *LTA *S&P Malibu, CA CA
Nevada County Land Trust *LTA *S&P Grass Valley, CA CA
North Coast Small Wilderness Area Preservation *LTA *S&P Cambria, CA CA
North Delta Conservancy *LTA *S&P Courtland, CA CA
Northcoast Regional Land Trust *LTA *S&P Bayside, CA CA
Northern California Regional Land Trust *LTA *S&P Chico, CA CA
Ojai Valley Land Conservancy *LTA *S&P Ojai, CA CA
Open Space Alliance of Santa Cruz *LTA *S&P Santa Cruz, CA CA
Pacific Forest Trust *LTA *S&P Santa Rosa, CA CA, OR, WA
Pacifica Land Trust *LTA *S&P Pacifica, CA CA
Palos Verdes Peninsula Land Conservancy *LTA *S&P Palos Verdes Peninsula, CA CA
Paradise Community Foundation Paradise, CA CA
Peninsula Open Space Trust *LTA *S&P Menlo Park, CA CA
Placer Land Trust *LTA *S&P Auburn, CA CA
Port Costa Conservation Society *LTA *S&P Port Costa, CA CA
Preserve Calavera Oceanside, CA CA
Quail Ridge Wilderness Conservancy *LTA *S&P Davis, CA CA
Redlands Conservancy *LTA Redlands, CA CA
Redwood Coast Land Conservancy *LTA *S&P Gualala, CA CA
Riverside Land Conservancy *LTA *S&P Riverside, CA CA
Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation *LTA *S&P Missoula, MT AZ, CA, CO, ID, MI, MN, MT, NV, NM, ND, OR, PA, SD, UT, WA, WY
Sacramento River Preservation Trust Chico, CA CA
Sacramento Valley Ag Land Conservancy Elk Grove, CA CA
Sacramento Valley Conservancy *LTA *S&P Sacramento, CA CA
San Andreas Land Conservancy Davenport, CA CA
San Benito Agricultural Land Trust *LTA *S&P Tres Pinos, CA CA
San Bernardino Mountains Land Trust *S&P Lake Arrowhead, CA CA
San Diego River Park - Lakeside Conservancy *LTA *S&P Lakeside, CA CA
San Dieguito River Valley Land Conservancy del Mar, CA CA
San Elijo Lagoon Conservancy *LTA *S&P Encinitas, CA CA
San Gabriel Mountains Regional Conservancy *LTA *S&P Glendora, CA CA
San Joaquin River Parkway and Conservation Trust *LTA *S&P Fresno, CA CA
San Juan Canyon Preservation Trust *LTA *S&P Belmont, CA CA
Sanctuary Forest, Inc. *LTA *S&P Whitethorn, CA CA
Santa Catalina Island Conservancy Avalon, CA CA
Santa Lucia Conservancy Pacific Grove, CA CA
Santa Monica Mountains Trails Council *LTA *S&P Agoura Hills, CA CA
Save Mount Diablo *LTA *S&P Walnut Creek, CA CA
Save the Redwoods League San Francisco, CA CA
Sempervirens Fund *LTA Los Altos, CA CA
Sequoia Riverlands Trust *LTA *S&P Visalia, CA CA
Sequoya Challenge *LTA *S&P Grass Valley, CA CA
Seven Generations Land Trust Berkeley, CA CA, OR
Shasta Land Trust *LTA *S&P Redding, CA CA
Sierra Foothill Conservancy *LTA *S&P Prather, CA CA
Sierra Madre Mountains Conservancy Glendale, CA CA
Siskiyou Land Trust Mount Shasta, CA CA
Small Wilderness Area Preservation, Inc. *LTA Los Osos, CA CA
Solano Land Trust *LTA *S&P Fairfield, CA CA
Sonoma Land Trust *LTA *S&P Santa Rosa, CA CA
Southern California Agricultural Land Foundation *LTA *S&P Chino, CA CA
Southern Marin Land Trust *S&P Sausalito, CA CA
Southwest Wetlands Interpretive Association Imperial Beach, CA CA
Stanislaus Farmland Trust Modesto, CA CA
Tahoe Land Trust Tahoe City, CA CA
Tamalpais Conservation Club *LTA Mill Valley, CA CA
Topanga Natural History Association Topanga, CA CA
Tri-Valley Conservancy *LTA *S&P Livermore, CA CA
Truckee Donner Land Trust *LTA *S&P Truckee, CA CA
Trust for Public Land, Western Regional Office *LTA San Francisco, CA CA
Tuolumne County Land Trust Sonora, CA CA
Tuscany Research Institute *LTA *S&P Las Vegas, NV CA
Ventana Conservation and Land Trust *LTA Santa Barbara, CA CA
Ventura County Agricultural Land Trust *S&P Ventura, CA CA
Ventura Hillsides Conservancy *LTA Ventura, CA CA
Volcan Mountain Preserve Foundation Julian, CA CA
Watsonville Wetlands Watch *LTA Freedom, CA CA
Western Alliance for Nature Malibu, CA CA
Western Cave Conservancy *LTA Santa Cruz, CA CA
Westport Village Society, Inc. *LTA *S&P Westport, CA CA
Whittier Hills Conservancy Whittier, CA CA
The Wilderness Association of San Diego, Inc. San Diego, CA CA
The Wildlands Conservancy Yucaipa, CA CA
Wildlife Heritage Foundation *LTA *S&P Lincoln, CA CA
Winnemem Wintu Organization Redding, CA CA
Yggdrasil Land Foundation, Inc *LTA San Francisco, CA CA
Yolo Land Trust *LTA *S&P Woodland, CA CA
Yuba Sutter Land Trust Marysville, CA CA

[hedgetrimmer]

The conservancy will create a bureau of unelected officials who will give taxpayer money and resources to environmental NGOs. This will make the NGOs extremely wealthy and extremely powerful because the right of the citizen to have any say over public land will be destroyed. You cannot possibly support this.

When NGOs start to run things, the rights of citizens are lost.

Do you think an NGO should be able to change your property line? Because this NGO will if the conservancy passes. If you don't think they should be able to change your property line, why should it be ok for them to change the property of others? Do you think they should be able to buy and sell real estate like a for profit corporation and never pay taxes? Do you think they should be able to have a bank account of this money-- where they are free from the worry that taxpayers might cut off their funding-- because they will have their own wealth and therefore be uncontrollable by the electorate? Do think any NGO has the right to take public money for land then make it illegal for the land to be used for anything except what they want? What if the public changes their mind? What if there is an economic downturn so severe that the land is needed for its resources and contribution to the economy? Do you think that the people of today should have to give up their property rights and economic prosperity for "future generations" to be determined by an NGO?

I don't think any clear thinking citizen of a Constitutional Republic would answer yes to any of those questions.

[hedgetrimmer]

California should be selling land to private citizens to pay off debt and reduce expenses