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Scientology and Terri Schiavo, Is there a Connection?
Liberty of the Captives ^ | 06.13.04 | Lisa Ruby

Posted on 06/23/2004 9:01:47 AM PDT by Coleus

Scientology and Terri Schindler Schiavo: The Death Connection

Scientology Doctrine:  Michael Schiavo Removed Terri From Society

Keeping Terri Disabled: Michael's Illegal Pretext to Kill 

Florida Law Vs Scientology Policy

Scientology, The Clearwater Bar Association, and Judge Greer

Scientology and Terri Schindler Schiavo: The Death Connection A Hidden Agenda

Liberty of the Captives

Contact freeper Lisa Ruby for further details and dialogue


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To: Ethan_Allen


Eze 13:22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

Eze 13:23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.

101 posted on 07/23/2004 8:06:36 AM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus
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To: Lisa Ruby

I ran across the story on Joan Wood a few days ago, and was wondering if you had seen it. I did a google search then, and found that the original story had been posted at FR. I've been meaning to post it, but I've been reading so much and trying to digest it all, that I hadn't gotten around to it yet. I had NOT seen these documents, however. What a find!

Here's a link to the FR story:

Interesting connections to Germany. Had you heard about Scientology's Operation Snow White against Germany? [The reason I had robert reich in the search terms was because he had made some very interesting remarks recently - search FR - and I was trying to see if he was connected to Scientology.]

[***Note: I do agree with what seem paranoic rantings about INTERPOL and the psychiatrists et al. Liz Toolan has an on-line book about the psychiatrists behind Hitler. It's called THE MEN BEHIND HITLER at See also here*** . I also read, possibly on one of these links that there were indeed links to INTERPOL discovered by one man. There were two men named and I can't for the life of me remember exactly what I read. If you run across it, will you please post it? ]

Germany's reaction to scientology in their midst [good reading]:,000&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

one excerpt:

Scientology: The Profit-Sect: Part 1
From: "Die Woche"
May 12, 1995

By Norbert Blüm

The largest and most dangerous sect in Germany is covertly changing the economy.

They deal in power. They deal in money. When we look around us in the world today, it quickly becomes clear that a new form of sect is emerging, one that leads to death. I am thinking of the mass murders of the Sun Temple in Switzerland, the Aum sect in Japan, and the Davidians and the militia in the United States. They fight their own battles and lead their own personal wars. We have to focus on this type of warfare.

A war does not only take place when people are wounded or killed. War does not only occur when buildings lie in ruins and ashes. Whoever vanquishes the innermost personality of a human being is also leading a war. What I mean here is the worldwide campaign of Scientology, from whom no mercy is granted.

An imperialistic organization has taken it upon themselves to infiltrate business and manipulate people. Its goal for power in the economy includes placing its own members in personnel departments and on management boards. In other areas, such as real estate, publishing, and software development, it gathers contacts and information, again with the goal of gaining more power. This is a covert campaign of conquest which is all the more dangerous as it operates behind closed doors. We must stop it.

It's about time that something be done. If one believes the Scientology publications, the organization, which has operated since 1954 under the name of "Church of Scientology", has undertaken a years-long campaign to transform Germany into an allegedly higher state of consciousness. It has stated that its goals include the takeover of five percent of the German book market, the gaining of 15 percent of the opinion leaders for its own purposes, and finally the takeover of power. According to statements by the organization, Germany has at least 30,000 adherents of Ron Hubbard. Hubbard, the American founder of the sect, died in 1986.

"Using the appearance of a religious community," the states' Interior Ministers determined over a year ago, Scientology combines "elements of white collar crime and psycho-terrorism against its members in commercial activities and sect-like practices." In March, the federal labor court in Kassel decided that Scientology is not a church, but a commercial business.

According to the observations of former Scientologists, a danger exists that members, who are mercilessly gauged by income statistics and the success of the mission, will cause damage to their companies in the course of fulfilling assignments from the organization. This damage includes embezzlement of money or information, industrial espionage, disloyal behavior and violation of the confidentiality agreement. The organization leaves, in its wake, bankrupt companies and former members who have been ruined psychologically as well as financially.

Unfortunately, no good would be done by banning Scientology. That would only create martyrs. One has to interfere with the non-transparent business of the organization. Only one strategy is effective against Hubbard's ideology of "business, business, business." That is the strategy of information, information, information. For this reason I call upon all concerned: the Office of Constitutional Protection, businesses, and also schools. We must use all means available to us to remove the camouflage used by Scientology. We must meet it face on. We must not give in, not even when we are under its threats. It relies on the cowardice of society, and the desire to have peace, as opposed to conflict. I don't think that way. Nobody need yield to fear of repression, especially the media. There has to be a chain of defense.

Perhaps my experiences can contribute to the breaking of the tabu [of conflict]. Last year a Scientologist from Nurnberg received a license from the Federal Labor Office for his company to act as a private employment agency. After his membership in Scientology became known, we withdrew the license.

In the past year, I have been calling Scientology what it really is: a criminal money laundering organization which will stop at nothing in its world-wide effort to advance its ideology under the auspices of religion. Scientology reacted by applying for the issue of a temporary order. It was turned down by the judge. The main decision lies before us. I am confident of the outcome. I have said nothing that I will retract. The spiteful advertisement campaign from the United States which equates allegedly persecuted Scientologists to the victims of Auschwitz will not cause me to become amenable to discussion. That would be perfidy. It is time to put a stop to the people who are pulling the strings in this ruthless organization. Have courage!

NORBERT BLÜM (59) has been Federal Minister of Labor and Social Welfare since 1982. His studies include Catholic theology.

Scientology: The Profit Sect: part 2 - end quote.

Now, as I said, I'm still digesting, but I read that since the controversial and secret agreement between the IRS and Scientology, where the IRS reversed an earlier position and now considers Scientology a religion for tax-purposes, Germany followed suit. Trying to get the timeline straight, and am swallowed up with notes.

The Shadowy Story Behind Scientology's Tax-Exempt Status
March 9, 1997 Very interesting story.

Did you know Charles Mason was a Scientologist?

I apologize if I'm repeating things you've already covered. When I first read this I wondered why it all sounded so familiar. Then when I got to the part about Lisa McPherson dying of dehydration I remembered reading the story and posted it (or not, since my computer often crashes and I never know what I've posted or not), and I remember thinking it very interesting at the time, but I honestly didn't make any other connection. This whole scientology thing was totally under my radar screen. I just had no idea....

I'm going to post a few other things I have on my screen, because the computer is acting sluggish again, and I need to go off-line for a bit, and I'm afraid it will freeze up.

Charles Manson Was a Scientologist

Son of Scientology
He’s the son of the founder of the controversial church he now calls a dangerous cult. [I thing it is in here that he states that his father was taking sodium barbitol [whatever and something else] for dodenal ulcers when he was at the Naval hospital. What is that truth serum made of. Anyone know? I still think Hubbard was a mind-control project himself, and didn't know it, but had latent memories of psycho psychiatrists (maybe Operation Paperclip?), and that's why he was on a campaign against psychiatrists, or else he was brainwashed to campaign against them in order to make some more profit for the Rockefeller Syndicate [...Murder by Injection] whilst they turned Americans and the rest of the world into happy, mind-controlled little robots for the NWO.

Ida Camburn's Promise

In 1977, Ms. Ida Camburn, promised Congressman Leo J Ryan that she would "continue to do what she was doing" and promised her son, who 'disconnected from her' that she would try for the rest of her life to get him back from the cult called Scientology. ****Congressman Ryan was gunned down in Guyana November 18th 1978, Ms.. Camburn's struggle for her son continues to this day. Read her story here - Ida Camburn's Promise,,,, {I believe the story and many, many, more is here:,000&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 [This might be interesting to follow up on. This refers to the Jim Jones affair. If I remember correctly, that was reputed to be another CIA mind-control project.]

[my opinion: front for the CIA] good article! JUST NOTICED THIS - HAVE NOT CHECKED OUT: 'With reference to minority groups, Scientology has allied itself with other totalist groups ("cults”) including the Unification Church, or Moonies and the Children of God (Family of Love). Scientology officials deny the registration in Strassbourg in December 1992 of FIREPHIM. This was allegedly a pact between the Moonies, COG, the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Raelians and even the Bahá'í (see note). '

This is huge. I have a quote around here someplace that I have been trying to put my hands on. I THINK it was to the effect that Rothschild told Rockefeller (or was it Weishaupt? or somebody else? to gather all the OCCULT societies into ONE. Rothschild also enjoined Jacob Schiff, who enjoined one of the Rockefellers (John D.?) to infiltrate the seminaries and churches in America to destroy them from within.] THIS IS A MUST READ. I haven't finished it yet.

'Scientology's claim's of "8 million members" is a lie!
evidence from City University of New York shows only 55,000 say they are Scientologists in the US.'

'...There is something terribly wrong with a court system that allows the
>continuous abuses that Moxon and the cult are able to pull off. What is
>this about missing or altered records in one of your cases Keith? It
>sounds and smells like the cult has gained an unusual and undue amount of
>control of the courts in CA, much like here in FL.
Barb also posted in reply to Graham letter: >What are you referring to regarding ALTERED COURT DOCUMENTS? They
>actually are rewriting these things after they're filed? Man, if this is true,
>it's time for the Feds to do their g*dd*mn JOB and investigate this crap!...'

Right. That'll happen.

'Court Case Poses Challenge to Scientology Tax Break

By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON, March 24, 2004, (c) NY Times

LOS ANGELES, March 21 - A trial is to begin here on Wednesday morning to determine whether a Jewish couple can deduct the cost of religious education for their five children, a tax benefit they say the federal government has granted to members of just one religion, the Church of Scientology.

The potential ramifications are huge, for a ruling in favor of the couple could affect the millions of Americans who send their children to religious schools of all types. At stake is whether people of all religions can deduct the cost of religious education as a charitable gift, as Scientologists are allowed to do under an officially ***secret 1993 agreement with the Internal Revenue Service.

That agreement came despite a 1989 Supreme Court ruling denying tax deductions for money paid in fees set by the Church of Scientology for its "auditing" and "training" services. The Supreme Court decision said the money did not qualify for the charitable gift deduction because it involved a fixed price and was akin to a fee for a service....',000&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 [relates to IRS story above].



huge site here - I haven't had a chance to look at it:'s Private Investigators
[This page contains information The Rick A. Ross Institute has
gathered about Scientology.]

Clearwater City Hall Clearwater, Florida Monday, May 10, 1982

"...Secrecy is the keystone of all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy... censorship. When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, 'This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives." --Robert A. Heinlein, -If This Goes On
Scientology Gag Agreements - A Conspiracy for Silence

HERE's the Ida Campburn link:
SPECIAL OPS against the 'church's' 'enemies':

Glad you're on top of this, Lisa. This is all pretty overwhelming, and I know God is in charge of things here, which is a good thing, because I only have the faith of a mustard seed right now in the face of this. I hope he is going to turn this to His glory, and Terri will be freed.

102 posted on 07/23/2004 1:01:20 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus
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103 posted on 07/23/2004 1:05:48 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus
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To: Lisa Ruby
Judge Greer has never issued a court order for the murder of Terri Schiavo.

Judge Greer twice issued a court order for Michael Schiavo to cause the removal of Terri Schindler Schiavo's feeding tube.

Which is it? He didn't order her murder, or he did order her murder (the removal of her feeding tube resulting in her unjustified death)?

It was Michael Schiavo and his hired accomplices (guards) who tried to murder Terri by illegally preventing her from having fluids/nourishment by mouth.

Yes, but they were not alone in their guilt. Judge Greer did state in open court, when he gave his ruling, that Terri was not to be allowed any oral sustenance either.

I wish you'd quit spreading lies and half truths in defense of a corrupt judge. A woman's life is at stake here. You have repeatedly attacked Gov. Bush, one of the few people in power to lift a finger to help Terri. The site that you linked us to in post #113 hints that is in on the attempt to murder Terri. If you will read the Legal Solution Page, you will learn that these documents used to be on It does not surprise me that the webmistress has seen fit to remove the evidence of Gov. Bush's collusion with the passing of a law that served the purpose of keeping the corruption in this case out of the limelight.

I don't know what you're up to, but you obviously aren't trying to help Terri. Whatever it is you're trying to do, deception is your weapon of choice.

115 posted on 08/23/2004 1:29:47 AM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe.
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To: Lisa Ruby

That's an opinion blog, and without legal warrant. I'm not easily swayed by the unsubstantiated opinions of others. When I first heard about Terri Shiavo, I didn't immediately form an opinion based the opinions I'd heard. I researched the facts before coming to my conclusions. Rumors, innuendo, and unsubstantiated opinion are not facts. Especially when they are contrary to the known facts.

119 posted on 08/23/2004 8:04:29 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe.
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To: Lisa Ruby
Just as it is illegal to hold a pillow over someone's face in order to CASUE death, it is just as illegal to prevent a person from receiving oral sustenance in order to CAUSE death.

Just as it is illegal for a judge to order a group of people to hold a pillow over someone else's face in order to CASUE death, it is just as illegal for a judge to order a group of people to prevent another person from receiving oral sustenance in order to CAUSE death.

120 posted on 08/23/2004 8:11:42 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe.
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