Posted on 06/25/2004 10:12:45 AM PDT by take
I couldn't agree with you more. Drum 'em out of the service.
What is worrying is the parallel between an army afraid of muslims and now afraid of feminists... what an army. THere is no limit to this blackmail in sight.
Yes, the man is less at fault.
The female engaged in conduct that prevents her from carring out her duties, and makes her non-deployable. Her getting pregnant does not make her male suitor any less deployable nor does it gain him an automatic rotation back to the States as it does her.
Of course, he should be responsible for the child. But what usually happens is the woman has an abortion shortly after rotation or getting out.
Woman have been getting pregnant to get out of assignments for a long time.
Understand I'm just addressing the subject at hand. I could care less how they choose to get out. Though I don't agree that they should be in frontline units.
Wonder how much of this is due to "emergency sex"?
Years ago I had a history teacher that wanted to talk about this issue in history class. The pregnancy issue with all its ramifications was my argument in saying this is not a good idea. What I got from my teacher and other students is Nah, it will never happen.
Yep...fools all.
makes me want to weep....
it'll take a million casualties to undo that kind of garbage.
If your talking about adultery (which while it's ignored in civilian society, can get you in hot water in the military), it would not go over well unless you prosecuted the men.
Which I'm actually all for - when I was in, I knew of too many men cheating on their wives. Rarely were they prosecuted either (neither were the women who were cheating on their husbands).
The way I saw it, if they would cheat on their spouses, they were liable to cheat elsewhere (say something involving their job, which could get others killed).
Unfortunately, a certain former Commander-in-Chief made it fashionable to cheat and get away with, and so those who would cheat might claim they were just following his example.
Yep, when I was in 3rd ID, I saw the same thing. Kinda makes one wonder about the dedication of our female troops if they are willing to get knocked up simply to avoid a 30 day training exercise.
Is abortion legal in the military?
This is not new - when I attended the Defense Language Institute in 1982, you would not believe the level of activity...
Add 9 months to enlistment and freeze time in grade and advancement tests for every pregnancy.
Sure. Non-judicial both of them. The guy still stays in theater and the female rotates out. What's the difference? You put men and women together and it's going to happen. Nothing, will stop it. That's part of the arguement against having women in some units.
"Woman have been getting pregnant to get out of assignments for a long time."
We have a volunteer military. Your statement paints a broad brush over the women of this country, making them out to be little more than adventurous vixens who escape real work by becoming baby-making whores.
Sorry. I said women because they are the only ones that can get pregnant. Obviously, not all women are like that. But I have known and have seen many that are. If you have a difficulty believing that, well, if you were in the military I guess you were in a line unit. The important distinction here is that while both guys and girls like to have sex, only the woman can make the choice to have sex to get out of the service.
Understand, the issue I'm addressing is purely based on the violations of the UCMJ required to get into this situation of pregnancy-based rotations.
And this thread is about the rate of pregnancy in the military, not whether the UCMJ should be enforced on sexual misconduct. Though I'm of the mind that no matter what the punishment is men and women will continue to have sex. Here is a good article I stumbled across:
http://adnetsolfp2.adnetsol.com/ssl_claremont/publications/owens2.cfm
Commiting adultery does not prevent one from performing the duties you were trained and paid for. Getting pregnant does. Yes, there is a double standard.
True, but it is against the UCMJ, and when one is willing to ignore one or more laws, chances are they won't have problems ignoring others (which can affect your duties).
It can create a situation where if it is somebody higher up in the chain, those underneath may not feel the need to follow the rules/laws. I'd bet some have tried to use Clinton's behavior as Commander-in-Chief to justify their transgressions.
It can also impact unit cohesion if it involves people/spouses inside of the same unit (especially if it's a mixing of officers/enlisted).
I'm an old fuddy-duddy when it comes to this thing - I believe if you would break your wedding vows, then you would have no problems breaking any oath or rules you don't care about.
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