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Army Told Not to Use Israeli Bullets in Iraq

Thu Jun 24, 2004 05:56 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Israeli-made bullets bought by the U.S. Army to plug a shortfall should be used for training only, not to fight Muslim guerrillas in Iraq and Afghanistan, U.S. lawmakers told Army generals on Thursday.

Since the Army has other stockpiled ammunition, "by no means, under any circumstances should a round (from Israel) be utilized," said Rep. Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii, the top Democrat on a House of Representatives Armed Services subcommittee with jurisdiction over land forces.

The Army contracted with Israel Military Industries Ltd. in December for $70 million in small-caliber ammunition.

The Israeli firm was one of only two worldwide that could meet U.S. technical specifications and delivery needs, said Brig. Gen. Paul Izzo, the Army's program executive officer for ammunition. The other was East Alton, Illinois-based Winchester Ammunition, which also received a $70 million contract.

Although the Army should not have to worry about "political correctness," Abercrombie was making a valid point about the propaganda pitfalls of using Israeli rounds in the U.S.-declared war on terror, said Rep. Curt Weldon, the Pennsylvania Republican who chairs the subcommittee on tactical air and land forces.

"There's a sensitivity that I think all of us recognize," Weldon told the Army witnesses, including Maj. Gen. Buford Blount, who led the U.S. Third Infantry Division that captured Baghdad in April 2003.

Blount, now the Army's assistant deputy chief of staff, said the Army had sufficient small caliber ammunition -- 5.56mm, 7.62mm and .50 caliber -- to conduct current operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.

But taken together with training needs, the United States had strained its production facilities, he testified.

"To fight a major combat operation in another theater will require the Army to impose restrictions on training expenditures and to focus current inventory and new production on combat operations," Blount said.

As a result, he said the Army hoped to stretch U.S. supplies to supplement the capacity of the government-owned Lake City plant in Independence, Missouri, that currently makes more than 90 percent of U.S. small caliber ammunition.

The Lake City factory, operated by Alliant Techsystems Inc., has nearly quadrupled its production in the past four years. This year, it will produce more than 1.2 billion rounds, Karen Davies, president of the ATK arm that runs it, told the panel. Lake City provided more than 2 billion rounds a year during World War II and Vietnam, she said.

The Army's needs will grow to about 1.5 billion to 1.7 billion rounds a year in coming years, Blount said.

"In the near-term, balancing training requirements with current operational needs is a manageable risk-mitigation strategy," he said.

The Army does not want to repeat its history of building capacity during wartime "only to dismantle it in peacetime," Blount added.


7 posted on 06/25/2004 10:24:46 AM PDT by take
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; archy; Squantos; sneakypete; Valin; Travis McGee; Lion Den Dan; Matthew James; ...

While in Germany in the 1980's we had an MP company for physical security. They had a dog platoon with around 20 - 30 sentry and patrol dogs. One of the handlers had trained one of the dogs to roll over on her back with rear legs apart at the command "how do WACs make rank?" Probably very un politically correct in the Army of One.


12 posted on 06/25/2004 10:30:30 AM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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Yeah... it's gotta be REAL HARD to do a data base search of records for only women who left Iraq for the word PREGNANT or the Military Medical Code# for it.

"We are not tracking it"

The number of them is there... they just NEVER ASK!

14 posted on 06/25/2004 10:36:48 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: take

Two words: Jimmy hat.


18 posted on 06/25/2004 10:43:08 AM PDT by jra
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To: take

What is worrying is the parallel between an army afraid of muslims and now afraid of feminists... what an army. THere is no limit to this blackmail in sight.


44 posted on 06/25/2004 1:16:54 PM PDT by JudgemAll
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