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Cannon win may hurt illegal-immigrant foes (Utah)
DeseretNews.com ^ | 6-26-2004 | Tad Walch and Deborah Bulkeley

Posted on 06/26/2004 9:52:50 AM PDT by madfly

OREM — Rep. Chris Cannon's radio ads in the weeks before his convincing Republican primary victory conjured up images of a vast national conspiracy mobilized against him.

"I just wish the special interests would quit their negative attacks," a woman's voice said in one radio spot for Cannon.

And it was true that for months, Cannon was attacked in the media for sponsoring a bill that would provide temporary legal status to undocumented workers.

The ads, on radio and billboards and in newspapers, were paid for by out-of-state groups that want to unseat Cannon and other like-minded Republican members of Congress to bolster their efforts to gain tighter immigration laws.

Cannon's victory may have wounded that effort, some say.

It's not known how much organizations like ProjectUSA and the Coalition for the Future American Worker spent in Utah's 3rd District Republican primary, but Cannon's camp says the total was $80,000 — more than challenger Matt Throckmorton raised and spent on his campaign.

Those efforts drew the attention of political insiders in Washington, D.C., including the Wall Street Journal's editorial page. Arizona Reps. Jeff Flake and Jim Kolbe were among those who watched with interest.

Cannon beat Throckmorton, 58 percent to 42 percent.

The Journal called it a "Throckmorton thumping" and said it should convince Republican candidates that Cannon-style immigration reform can be a political winner.

Throckmorton called the loss disappointing on a national level.

"The two races in Arizona won't be as close as this one," he predicted. "This is carte blanche. There's no incentive now not to run open-borders legislation. The political message sent is that if you run, you'll get some folks upset and you'll have to run hard, but taking that stance will have little impact."

Arizona's Flake said Cannon's victory provided a good indication of where American voters stand on immigration policy.

"I think the relatively large margin of victory and his position on the issue indicate people understand our immigration policy is a massive failure right now, at huge costs to Utah, Arizona and other states," Flake told the Deseret Morning News.

"The president has embraced meaningful immigration reform, and people want this serious issue taken seriously. People who believe we can seal the borders and throw people out aren't being serious."

Utah political strategists said Throckmorton's loss was striking because Cannon's last primary opponent, Jeremy Friedbaum in 1998, picked up 24 percent of the vote without campaigning.

"That means a quarter of Republicans in his district will always vote against Chris," said one source close to both Cannon and Throckmorton. "It's disappointing for Matt to do only 18 points better" after his campaign and other groups targeting Cannon spent $130,000 to $150,000.

However, ProjectUSA president Craig Nelsen refused to throw in the towel. In fact, he claimed in an e-mail to supporters Friday that "immigration realists scored a major victory Tuesday" because Cannon managed 58 percent of the vote.

"Here's a candidate who spent a fraction of what the incumbent did," Nelsen told the Deseret Morning News. (Cannon spent more than $300,000.) "(Throckmorton) was fighting the establishment and running basically on one issue, immigration, and got 42 percent of registered Republicans. That's hugely encouraging."

Throckmorton didn't see it that way.

"I expect over the next six months to a year we'll see some pretty sweeping bills," he said.

Cannon expected his AgJOBS bill, which would provide temporary legal status to thousands of illegal immigrants working American agricultural jobs, to come to vote in October. If successful, he planned to introduce a larger bill to similarly deal with the other 10-12 million undocumented aliens in the United States.

He believed the proposals would strengthen U.S. security by requiring registration in exchange for legal status and would fix a broken system. Opponents such as Nelsen and Throckmorton said that rewards illegal behavior and that Cannon is giving away the store. They favor stronger border restrictions.

Throckmorton also expressed concern about attempts to tighten Utah's immigration-related laws after Utah Rep. Michael Thompson's, R-Orem, upset loss on Tuesday to Lorie Fowlke.

The loss is a blow to Throckmorton's long efforts to repeal two Utah laws, one that provides drivers' licenses to illegal immigrants and another that gives in-state tuition to undocumented students who graduate from Utah high schools.

Thompson sponsored the failed bill to repeal the driver's license law last year. While immigration wasn't an issue in his campaign, Utah lawmakers will still tie the losses together, said Throckmorton, a former state legislator from Springville.

"When you run campaigns on tough issues, it's kind of winner-take-all," he said. "For other legislators, the message is pretty clear: Don't touch the issue. This will certainly have long-lasting impact."

Immigration still could become a flashpoint in the general election, where early polls show Cannon with a wide lead over Democrat Beau Babka.

Babka won't formalize an immigration policy until he meets Hispanic leaders and others, but he predicted immigration wouldn't be a key point in his campaign.

However, he did say that Cannon's policy has "dangerously ignored the need for better protection of our national borders."



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; borders; chriscannon; electionushouse; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; rebublicanturncoats; sovereignty
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1 posted on 06/26/2004 9:52:51 AM PDT by madfly
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To: gubamyster; Spiff; HiJinx
please ping your lists.....

thanks

2 posted on 06/26/2004 9:54:14 AM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly

I know I spend to much time here one FR but I seem to sign on just after you post a new thread. How have you been?


3 posted on 06/26/2004 9:55:29 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
That's pretty amazing considering how little I have been posting. Getting my groove back, though.

Ha, that'll teach me not to ping ya. Nice to see you still shadow me :) hehe.

4 posted on 06/26/2004 10:01:18 AM PDT by madfly
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bttt


5 posted on 06/26/2004 10:02:50 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver ("No one is above the law in Los Angeles." Mayor James Hahn )
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To: madfly
Ugh. This makes me sick. Going after GOP incumbants in primaries is bad strategy. It is very difficult to defeat an incumbant, even an unpopular one, in a primary. A win almost never happens, but the loss becomes a huge propaganda victory for the other sides.

A better strategy is to put restrictionists into empty seats. I just hope this loss doesn't have the repercussions Throckmorton has. I'm a littled annoyed at him making such defeatist remarks. It only helps the other side.

6 posted on 06/26/2004 10:04:03 AM PDT by synwojciecha
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To: madfly

North America -- all of the countries in it -- needs an effective legal basis for creating an open-border ecnomic community. We need to find a way to legalize free travel and residency, cross-border property ownership, and legal reciprocity among the countries involved.

Why should we -- you and I -- settle for an armed-camp approach to living in our own hemisphere? Let's get the laws on all sides right, so they are fair and mutual, and then open the borders. Not all at once. But let's work for it.

The need to promote national security is a factor, in deciding how to proceed.

This is a conservative suggestion. It's based on the idea that we are all adults and can aspire to solve our international problems, without resort to Mommy (the border police, army and criminal justice system).


7 posted on 06/26/2004 10:04:25 AM PDT by Tax Government
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To: madfly
It is good to see you back a little more often. You can find more on this topic with either the keyword Aliens or Election US House. The Seattle Times is going to print one of my letters to the editor in tomorrow's paper.A minor thrill for me to have a few thousand people read what I have to say. What have you been up to?
8 posted on 06/26/2004 10:08:14 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..

ping


9 posted on 06/26/2004 10:10:35 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Tax Government

Well said.

(Hope you have your asbestos suit on!)


10 posted on 06/26/2004 10:11:12 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: Tax Government

We currently have MORE than enough laws on the books regarding immigration. We currently have MORE than enough laws on the books regarding what to do with illegals.

What we NEED is polititians with a little backbone to enforce existing laws.

You sound kinda line the type that wants MORE gun laws. We currently have more than enough laws pertaining to firearm ownership. If there is a problem (there isn't), it's in the ENFORCEMENT of existing laws.


11 posted on 06/26/2004 10:16:29 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death
You sound kinda line the type that wants MORE gun laws

No, never. I totally support gun ownership by the general population, concealed carry, and the Second Amendment.

12 posted on 06/26/2004 10:21:33 AM PDT by Tax Government
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To: Tax Government

To which country in this hemisphere do you want the USA to be more similar? Is our crime rate not enough like Mexicos? Our school system success not enough like that of El Salvador? Our language not Spanish enough?


13 posted on 06/26/2004 10:26:38 AM PDT by dagnabbit (Islamic Immigration is the West's Suicide)
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To: dagnabbit
To which country in this hemisphere do you want the USA to be more similar?

None. I want us to evolve in parallel to something better than we are now.

14 posted on 06/26/2004 10:28:17 AM PDT by Tax Government
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To: Tax Government

North America -- all of the countries in it -- needs an effective legal basis for creating an open-border ecnomic community.

Find another country, since you don't care much for this one.

This is a conservative suggestion. It's based on the idea that we are all adults and can aspire to solve our international problems, without resort to Mommy (the border police, army and criminal justice system).

Don't throw your shoulders out patting yourself on the back.

The lone legitimate purpose of government is to protect the sovereign integrity of a nation, which is defined by our culture, our laws, and our borders. It's neither conservative, nor American, to take the position that you do, that not even our sovereignty is worth preserving.

Dissolve our borders and you court civil war, because not everyone here will so casually throw away what you and the likes of Chris Cannon fail to appreciate, and the lawless newcomers won't be satisfied with the appeasments you'd offer. Look to Israel, Kosovo, and South Africa for the Historical lessons.


15 posted on 06/26/2004 10:30:23 AM PDT by Sabertooth (Mohammedanism is an evil empire.)
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To: Tax Government
None. I want us to evolve in parallel to something better than we are now.

Merging our society with a bunch of third-world ones isn't the route I'd pick.

16 posted on 06/26/2004 10:30:54 AM PDT by dagnabbit (Islamic Immigration is the West's Suicide)
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To: Tax Government

While we're "evolving", I'll assume the financial burden will all fall on the US tax payers shoulders. No thanks.


17 posted on 06/26/2004 10:32:52 AM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: monkeywrench
While we're "evolving", I'll assume the financial burden will all fall on the US tax payers shoulders. No thanks.

You assume incorrectly.

18 posted on 06/26/2004 10:34:31 AM PDT by Tax Government
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To: Tax Government

"Let's get the laws on all sides right, so they are fair and mutual, and then open the borders."

Let's stomp out AIDS, world hunger, and poverty while we're at it, too.


19 posted on 06/26/2004 10:35:39 AM PDT by brianl703
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To: brianl703
Let's stomp out AIDS, world hunger, and poverty while we're at it, too.

Sounds like you're working on a plan. Are you?

20 posted on 06/26/2004 10:37:04 AM PDT by Tax Government
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