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Australia: SWORDS TO BECOME PROHIBITED WEAPONS
Australian Government ^ | 3/8/04 | Australian Government

Posted on 06/28/2004 8:07:38 PM PDT by BradJ

Swords will become prohibited weapons from July 1, carrying penalties of up to $12,000 or six months in prison for illegal use or possession, the Minister for Police and Emergency Services, Andre Haermeyer said today.

Mr Haermeyer announced new sword regulations today, saying they would assist Victoria Police to crack down on incidents involving swords.

"The Bracks Government is implementing these new regulations to help Victoria Police overcome this culture of young people arming themselves with swords," Mr Haermeyer said.

"From July 1, swords will be made prohibited weapons, making it illegal to use, possess or carry a sword."

Mr Haermeyer said the elevation of swords from controlled to prohibited weapons would also impact on vendors attempting to sell swords.

"It is illegal to sell prohibited weapons other than in limited circumstances. Vendors will only be legally permitted to sell a sword to an individual who can produce evidence that they fall within an exempt category or have a specific approval from the Chief Commissioner," he said.

"Vendors will be required to register who they have sold swords to, the nature of the buyers' exemption and the type of sword or swords.

"Police will have the power to inspect a vendor's register."

Mr Haermeyer said the Government would establish exempt categories to ensure legitimate sword owners were not disadvantaged.

"There are some cultural, religious, military and collector groups that have legitimate reasons to own swords," he said.

"Such groups will be able to apply for an Order exempting their members from the need to obtain individual approvals. Also, individuals who do not fall into those categories will be able to apply to the Chief Commissioner of Police for an individual approval."

He said the new Orders would also carry some security conditions.

"Legitimate sword owners understand the importance of ensuring that their swords do not fall into the wrong hands," Mr Haermeyer said.

"Our intention is to ensure that security requirements provide a level of community assurance without being too onerous for legitimate sword owners."

Mr Haermeyer said the Government had issued a Regulatory Impact Statement regarding swords last year and had assessed feedback from a range of stakeholders.

"It's clear that the majority of Victorians back the push to keep swords off the streets," he said.

"The feedback we have received from stakeholders has been valuable and will help to ensure that we achieve this aim while not unfairly disadvantaging legitimate sword owners."

Mr Haermeyer said the Government had given police 480 metal detectors and late last year introduced new search powers, to enable Victoria Police to search people they reasonably suspect are carrying weapons.

Also, in the Autumn 2000 session of Parliament, new legislation was passed to restrict the sale and possession of knives and other weapons.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: akti; australia; bang; banglist; bladeforums; rkba; swords; victoria
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1 posted on 06/28/2004 8:07:38 PM PDT by BradJ
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To: BradJ

If swords are outlawed........


2 posted on 06/28/2004 8:10:05 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: BradJ

When does a knife or dagger become a sword. Are steak knives next.


3 posted on 06/28/2004 8:11:44 PM PDT by NYCRebublican (Steak knives next!!)
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To: BradJ

too bad they let the guns go first.


4 posted on 06/28/2004 8:12:20 PM PDT by herewego
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To: BradJ

Pretty soon we will only be able to use plastic knives and forks down here.


5 posted on 06/28/2004 8:12:44 PM PDT by Piefloater
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To: NYCRebublican

Sword? That's not a sword, THIS is a sword. Swoosh.


6 posted on 06/28/2004 8:13:37 PM PDT by bayourod (Can the 9/11 Commission connect the dots on Iraq or do they require a 3-D picture?)
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To: BradJ

I like Highlander as well as the next guy, but...there can only be one.


7 posted on 06/28/2004 8:15:52 PM PDT by montomike (Gay means happy and carefree not an abomination)
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To: BradJ; herewego; NYCRebublican; bayourod; Piefloater; Mr. Mojo

They are just trying to get rid of the Samurai class.


8 posted on 06/28/2004 8:16:01 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: BradJ

In a related story, legislation is also pending to extend the ban to eye patches, tri-cornered hats, and screaming "AAAAARGH, MATEY" in public.


9 posted on 06/28/2004 8:16:06 PM PDT by dandi ("No nation ever taxed it's way into prosperity." - R.L.)
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To: BradJ

Sounds like a solution in search of a problem.


10 posted on 06/28/2004 8:19:43 PM PDT by Snake65 (Osama Bin Decomposing)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Thats it. You can't go anywhere down here without bumping in to a Samurai. Everywhere you look...... Samurai.

The sooner they are gone the better. ;-)

11 posted on 06/28/2004 8:20:11 PM PDT by Piefloater
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To: BradJ

Swords don't kill people. Muslims kill people.


12 posted on 06/28/2004 8:20:22 PM PDT by ICX ("My Life" was Clinton's second choice title, after "I Am God, and You Are All My Subjects." - AC)
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To: BradJ

13 posted on 06/28/2004 8:21:59 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BradJ

Peel the onion, layer by layer, until all that is left is a teardrop and memories of an ancient land.


14 posted on 06/28/2004 8:22:40 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: NYCRebublican
......Are steak knives next.

Probably....
Then bats and after that 2x4's of a certain length.......
and so forth and so on.....

15 posted on 06/28/2004 8:22:48 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: BradJ

to all Aussies:

damn, and I thought the leftist limp-sticks here in our government sucked.


16 posted on 06/28/2004 8:28:54 PM PDT by King Prout (Viggo Bozodozeus is your friend... Viggo Bozodozeus deserves all trust... submit to Viggo Bozodozeus)
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To: BradJ

How long will it be before they forbid people having teeth and fingernails?


17 posted on 06/28/2004 8:30:38 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (LWS - Legislating While Stupid. Someone should make this illegal.)
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To: BradJ

How about a rusty knife just long enough to cut the head off an infidel?


18 posted on 06/28/2004 8:35:41 PM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: Xenalyte

this is barbaric


19 posted on 06/28/2004 8:37:19 PM PDT by King Prout (Viggo Bozodozeus is your friend... Viggo Bozodozeus deserves all trust... submit to Viggo Bozodozeus)
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To: Jeff Gordon

SSSHHH!!!

don't give the grasping little swots any ideas!


20 posted on 06/28/2004 8:38:07 PM PDT by King Prout (Viggo Bozodozeus is your friend... Viggo Bozodozeus deserves all trust... submit to Viggo Bozodozeus)
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To: BradJ

Bad news for the Knights of Columbus.


21 posted on 06/28/2004 8:40:42 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: BradJ
"There are some cultural, religious, military and collector groups that have legitimate reasons to own swords,"

Right. Muslims need them for the beheadings.

Can't stop religous use of swords, but all you other wankers, forget it.

22 posted on 06/28/2004 8:44:56 PM PDT by sd-joe
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To: NYCRebublican

Very probably.


23 posted on 06/28/2004 8:45:17 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: BradJ

Many years ago, I was was taking a study break at about 3 in the morning and went to the local 7-11 to get some snacks and to talk to the clerk, a classmate of mine. As we were talking, a drunken frat-guy came swaggering into the store and demanded to cash a presonal check for $20. He was told that this was against store policy. He tried to argue but the clerk, who was 6'5" and looked something like a Viking, stared him down.

The drunk grumbled under his breath, then turned and spat on the glass door as he walked out. The clerk didn't see it, so I told him, "hey, Don, that [anus] just spat on your door."

Don looked up, saw the glob of spittle running down the glass and yelled, "why, that SOB, I'll cut him into little pieces!"

At that point, he reached under the counter, grabbed what turned out to be a genuine antique cavalry sabre, and charged into the parking lot waving the blade over his head. He cornered the miscreant as the latter tried to get into his car. "Spit on my door, you ******? I'm gonna' cut yer' ****ing arms and legs off and slice out yer' tongue if you ever show your **** ***** face around here again," the sword wielding clerk yelled.

The drunk started his car and departed in some haste.

I recovered from my amazement long enough to ask, "Er, what if he'd had a gun?"
"No sweat," Don responded. He then reached into his back pocket and took out a Walther PPK-S.
Needless to say, this was against the law, let alone company policy, but he was never caught. He never shot anyone or chopped them into pieces in the parking lot, at least not to my knowledge.
The drunk apparently didn't call the police, possibly for fear of not being believed, but it is a true story, so help me.
Don the clerk is now a State Department official in Asia and is still something of a sword fancier.


24 posted on 06/28/2004 8:45:32 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy (A few words for the media: Julius Streicher, follow his path, share his fate.)
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To: BradJ
What do the "global leaders" have planned that is so bad, that the people must first be disarmed, not only of guns but also bladed weapons?

I don't even think the Nazis or Soviets banned swords.

25 posted on 06/28/2004 8:47:52 PM PDT by Mulder (Those who would give up liberty for temporary security, deserve neither -- Ben Franklin)
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To: BradJ
"There are some cultural, religious, military and collector groups that have legitimate reasons to own swords..."

Well ain't that grand. No guns allowed, and the only ones that can have a Sword are Islamists.

Last year or so there was a court case here in the USA cause some grade school kids had a "religious" reason to wear daggers to school.

They won.

Tolerance...Give them an inch and they will take a Kill-O-Metre

26 posted on 06/28/2004 8:48:51 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: BradJ

So now, every rotten kid in Oz will go to practicing Sun Style and carrying canes. Then they'll outlaw canes, and gimps will be forced to crawl.


27 posted on 06/28/2004 8:51:15 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Mulder
I don't even think the Nazis or Soviets banned swords.

The Nazis and Soviets weren't up against stuck-in-the-12th-century møøselimbs...

28 posted on 06/28/2004 8:51:22 PM PDT by null and void (The light pours out of me/The cold light of day/Pours out of me/Leaving me black/And so healthy)
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To: BradJ

Eventually they will be banning butter knifes. Then only the crooks will have those also. They will be easy to spot too. They will be the ones with evenly buttered toast.


29 posted on 06/28/2004 8:52:40 PM PDT by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Start Charging for Email - You get 2000 a month for free, then you pay!)
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To: Syncro
I think that you're talking about Sikhs, and their religion DOES require them to go armed with a short blade at all times. They're also required to wear turbans.

If I remember correctly they're some kind of Hindu/Muslim hybrid religion.

30 posted on 06/28/2004 8:53:45 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: BradJ

Lets not forget nail guns, staplers, hammers, pickaxes, scythes, and every variation of turkey carving apparatus. The Aussies have let their government turn them into a bunch of Tapioca eating sheep. You get what you pay for Matey.


31 posted on 06/28/2004 8:55:19 PM PDT by WideGlide
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To: BradJ

OK, first of all, it's not the Australian government doing this (which is a Liberal/National Coalition government and is conservative in nature). Rather it's the government of one state - Victoria - which has a Labor government - a socialist government).

Secondly, since the Police Minister made these statements nearly four months ago, the position has changed quite substantially. Swords will be added to the prohibited weapons list in Victoria. However, this does not mean swords have been made illegal - the prohibited weapons list doesn't actually prohibit weapons, despite its name.

Basically the only effect this change is going to have in reality is that minors won't be able to buy such weapons, and some slight differences on how the law deals with people who misuse them, or use them to commit crimes.

One example - a few weeks ago a nutcase with a sword attacked two policemen in Melbourne. They shot him and he died.

Now, obviously, a police shooting, needs to be investigated.

If swords had been on the PW list, the investigation would be over by now. He attacked police with a weapon. He was shot. End of story.

Because swords are not on the list, they've had to prove that they were attacked with a weapon, before they can even use the defence that they were attacked with a weapon.

What the changes don't do, though, is ban swords or make swords illegal. It just makes it easier for them to be treated as weapons in law, when they are used as weapons.

There's a *lot* of 'weapons' on the list that are sold openly and openly possessed.

The Police Minister wanted to do more - but he failed.

It's pretty much a non-story being stirred up by some people.

Now *if* the Minister decides to start prosecuting people, then there would be a story. But I doubt he's going to. They don't prosecute people for carrying knives and they've been on the list about 15 years.


32 posted on 06/28/2004 8:55:40 PM PDT by naturalman1975
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To: BradJ

Actually this is from the state government of Victoria, and not the Australian federal government. Victoria is well known in Australia for its politics of warm inner glow (or liberal politics in American terms) - its capital and largest city, Melbourne, is a lot like Toronto and Montreal of Canada, and San Francisco, Seattle, and Boston rolled together.


33 posted on 06/28/2004 8:55:55 PM PDT by NZerFromHK
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To: Piefloater
DAMNED JAPANESE TOURISTS!!!


34 posted on 06/28/2004 8:58:02 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: naturalman1975

Ah! Thanks for the clarification.


35 posted on 06/28/2004 8:59:59 PM PDT by null and void (The light pours out of me/The cold light of day/Pours out of me/Leaving me black/And so healthy)
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To: BradJ

Well there were these immortal guys who were chopping off each other's heads...


36 posted on 06/28/2004 9:01:14 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Bush/Cheney '04 - Win one for the Gipper!!!)
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To: Syncro

Let's make this clear as well.

Guns *are* allowed in Australia. I've only just started posting today, but I've been reading these forums for quite a while, and I actually get pretty disturbed sometimes about the misinformation about Australia that gets posted here at times.

Australia has not banned guns. Simple fact. This has not happened. I got a fair collection myself all held on civilian permits. (I've also got one that I have on a military permit). The reason most of my weapons are on civilian permits is because I think it's important that the laws that allow citizens to own firearms are used.

Yes, we have stricter gun laws than most of the US. Yes, we have registration. Yes, the laws go too far in my opinion.

But they haven't disarmed us. Unless you've got a criminal record, you'll have no real problem owning a gun in Australia.

Owning an assault rifle or a handgun is a little harder - but you can still do it.

I'm not saying our laws are good laws - because they're not. But they don't go anywhere near as far as some people try to suggest they do here at times.


37 posted on 06/28/2004 9:02:39 PM PDT by naturalman1975
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To: BradJ
Good Evening All-

The bliss ninnies will be happy because something is being done about something they don't like in their neighborhoods.

The frog never seems to realize how hot the water is getting until it's practically boiling...

~ Blue Jays ~

38 posted on 06/28/2004 9:03:40 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: BradJ

Wow. I would be a felon in Australia. Guess I won't ever move there.

There is no way the Government is getting my LOTR Sting sword from me.


39 posted on 06/28/2004 9:07:08 PM PDT by Chewbacca (There is a place in this world for all of God's creatures.....right next to the mashed potatoes.)
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To: Zeroisanumber
"[Hind. Sikh, properly, a disciple.] A religious sect noted for warlike traits, founded in the Punjab at the end of the 15th century.

Now I am even more confused. I thought Punjab was Little Orphan Annie's Big Brother. Or was that the Asp?

40 posted on 06/28/2004 9:07:35 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Piefloater
Pretty soon we will only be able to use plastic knives and forks down here.

You guys are practically defenseless now. Does that scare you? Considering how bad things are in this crazy world it would scare me if I didn't have my guns.

41 posted on 06/28/2004 9:12:31 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce.)
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To: NRA2BFree
You guys are practically defenseless now. Does that scare you? Considering how bad things are in this crazy world it would scare me if I didn't have my guns.

Things are not great but also not quite as bad as they may seem.

Refer posts 32 & 37 above by naturalman1975 for his very good clarification of the situation.

42 posted on 06/28/2004 9:19:41 PM PDT by Piefloater
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To: BradJ

The Australian gooberment has just announced that it plans to add stones to the list of banned weapons. Those found in possession of stones will be sentenced to life in prison.


43 posted on 06/28/2004 9:22:00 PM PDT by Meiguoren zai Sichuan
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To: dr_who_2

LOL........... yep, a camera in one hand and a sword in the other!


44 posted on 06/28/2004 9:22:33 PM PDT by Piefloater
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To: Zeroisanumber
Sikhs, and their religion DOES require them to go armed

They are permitted to carry an image of a sword - either a miniature sword, or a photograph. I remember reading that in AR 670-1.

45 posted on 06/28/2004 9:25:49 PM PDT by LouD
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To: BradJ

At the end, they're coming for our cars :o)


46 posted on 06/28/2004 9:26:29 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: BradJ
I'M DOOMED!


Does it specifically mention lobbing scimitars?

47 posted on 06/28/2004 9:31:33 PM PDT by Watery Tart (Chant to achieve total grammatical nirvana: “Whooooooooom”)
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48 posted on 06/28/2004 9:35:33 PM PDT by wolicy_ponk (George W. Bush - LET'S ROLL! --------------------- John F. Kerry - Let's Roll over...)
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To: dandi

Oh now I can't stop laughing. That was a good post.


49 posted on 06/28/2004 9:42:29 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: wolicy_ponk

Loved that one where Zatoichi's assassins track him by following a trail of dirty diapers.


50 posted on 06/28/2004 9:42:48 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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