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The war on guns: Joel Miller explains how drug cops are killing 2nd Amendment
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, June 30, 2004 | Joel Miller

Posted on 06/30/2004 3:29:33 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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1 posted on 06/30/2004 3:29:34 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

Why did the War on Alcohol require a constitutional amendment, while the War on Some of the Other Drugs did not?


2 posted on 06/30/2004 3:39:25 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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It comes down to a simple reality: As long as the drug trade is illegal, prohibition will foster and exacerbate crime and violence.

It isn't that simple. Cops, screws, "rehab," and property siezure are all big business. Law enforcement in the U.S. is rotten to the core. It is no longer effective against non-drug crime. Even rape and murder solution rates are way below historic norms. This is a very very bad problem, and ending the Drug War will be just the first step to solving it.

3 posted on 06/30/2004 3:41:59 AM PDT by eno_
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To: DuncanWaring

Because the modern way to trashing the Constitution is incrementalism.

Because the New Deal opened the door to government unlimited by the Constitution. There are no rules now.

Because today's prohibitionists are one-worlders and steeped in their methods.


4 posted on 06/30/2004 3:44:59 AM PDT by eno_
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Voodoo Social Policy: Exorcising the twin demons, guns and drugs(1994)
5 posted on 06/30/2004 3:49:24 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: JohnHuang2

Joel needs to quit smoking that stuff.


6 posted on 06/30/2004 4:41:03 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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Joel needs to quit smoking that stuff.

When he beats you with facts, attack him with stupidity.

7 posted on 06/30/2004 4:47:07 AM PDT by Trickyguy
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Its all because the gawdam idiot unenlightened electorate will not let their representatives vote to decriminalize these substances that these laws continue for going on a century. Don't look for this to change anytime soon, the only party that has an enlightened position is the totally inept Libertarians...
8 posted on 06/30/2004 4:48:50 AM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly
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Any time a government bans something and there's a demand for the banned product or service, a black market will sprout up to fill that demand. That's basic Econ 101.


9 posted on 06/30/2004 4:51:33 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Gen. Custer wore an Arrowsmith shirt to his last property owner convention.)
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the only party that has an enlightened position is the totally inept Libertarians...

That's true. Unfortunately, they squander this advantage with their totally unenlightened positions on immigration and the War on Terror.

10 posted on 06/30/2004 4:58:35 AM PDT by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: DuncanWaring

Heroin and Cocaine are not grown in the US. The original laws banned their importation.


11 posted on 06/30/2004 5:11:26 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: familyop

HRC : "We are going to take things (money) away from you for the common good."

FR : Boo, hiss, string her up!


Libs : "We are going to take guns away from you for the common good."

FR : Boo, hiss, Out of my cold dead hand.


All pols : "We are going to take some drugs away from you for the common good."

FR : Hurray! Screw those damn drug addled hippies.


12 posted on 06/30/2004 5:20:44 AM PDT by getsoutalive
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To: sergeantdave

So, using some of that logic, we should open the borders to everyone and anyone to prevent illegals from coming through? (Not that they aren't open now...) Sure, they wouldn't be "illegal" any more, but there would be such a surge in numbers we couldn't handle it. (Not that we can handle it now...)

Laws are the only things that keep some people from using drugs. Take the laws away, and you'll see a lot more drug abuse, more access to drugs by children in their own homes, etc. I don't want to clean up that mess.

The criminals will find new high-priced black markets and human degradation to deal in. If they have to sell pot or whatever at reduced legal market prices, they won't be making the money they are now.


13 posted on 06/30/2004 5:39:25 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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All pols : "We are going to take some drugs away from you for the common good."

FR : Hurray! Screw those damn drug addled hippies.

That just about sums it up.

Nice post.

14 posted on 06/30/2004 5:39:45 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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Laws are the only things that keep some people from using drugs.

Yeah, that's right.

The only thing keeping me from shooting up heroin and becoming an addict is the fact that it is illegal.

Get real!

15 posted on 06/30/2004 5:41:38 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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There's an additional 2nd Amendment issue that goes along with the WOsD: How many kids are being force fed "mental health drugs" in school? This is another face of the Brady Beast, as once a person is prescribed any medications for mentla health reasons, they are no longer allowed to own firearms. Never.

So, right in our schools, they have removed the right to keep and bear arms from millions before they are ever old enough to own any firearms.

Additonally, the 2nd isn't the only victim of the WOsD. The 4th has taken a heavy toll as well. Not so heavily under president Bush, but 'toon was horrible with it. Notice that the DEA isn't this president's private hit squad, and the number as well as frequency of no knock search warrants has decreased (at least in the news).

Simple economics, and simple constitutional law show the WOsD to be a total failure. If you enact laws that drive the price of a product that is in demand, there will be people who step in to exploit that market. Unfortunately, the exploitation is on both sides of the law anymore. Lastly, there is no reason for us to pay for the warehousing of individuals arrested on first time drug busts for simple possession - that should be a financial penalty only. ($30,000 per year average incarceration costs US wide, for nearly 700,000 people during 'toons tenure. Out of just over 2,000,000 prisoners, almost 70% are behind bars for drugs. That's stupid.)


16 posted on 06/30/2004 5:52:41 AM PDT by datura (Battlefield justice is what our enemies deserve. If you win, you live. If you lose, you die.)
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Excellent post. I've read about that a few years ago and was astonished. The big Pharmies are the biggest dope pushers in the world. Oddly enough, it's purely legal to give your school kid prescribed drugs that permanently alter his / her brain.

Didn't most of the school shooters take those powerful abti-depressants?

Well, it seems like Gub-mint has found a huge loophole here to permamently ban people from ever getting firearm licenses.


17 posted on 06/30/2004 6:05:10 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: JohnHuang2

Exactly. The problem of drug abuse is not a Washington problem. It can't be dealt with through top-down command and control solutions. Bureaucrats will never be able to arm enough cops and build enough jails to get rid of it. Its a problem that has to do with individual character, the family, and faith in this country. We have to change people's outlook. We're not going to win by locking up every druggie in the country's prisons. The WOD is a failure and its time we gave it up before it takes away in the process more of our hard-won freedoms.


18 posted on 06/30/2004 6:17:42 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: AmericanChef

There's a demand for illegal aliens; consequently, a black market has developed to assist the illegal alien market. I'm simply stating basic Econ 101. You can see it working in now with both parties assisting the black market in illegal aliens by refusing to enforce the laws.

The black market in illegal aliens will lessen somewhat when illegal aliens are forced to follow the rules and wait in line and become legal, according to whatever rules are established and enforced by congress.

Governments, even totalitarian ones, have never succeeded in shutting down black markets. It's just a fact of supply and demand economics.


19 posted on 06/30/2004 6:20:24 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Gen. Custer wore an Arrowsmith shirt to his last property owner convention.)
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If there's a demand for something, there will always be a market for it. The fact it may be illegal just increases the attraction of the forbidden good. That's what we have with drugs and prostitution.


20 posted on 06/30/2004 6:26:03 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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