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Speed of light may have changed recently
New Scientist ^ | 6/30/04 | Eugenie Samuel Reich

Posted on 06/30/2004 1:35:28 PM PDT by NukeMan

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To: cspackler

In high school, the best way to get the physics teacher to go off on a tangent is to ask "What would happen to a monkey on a motor bike going close to the speed of light".


251 posted on 07/02/2004 12:21:59 PM PDT by redgolum
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To: redgolum
My high school Physics teacher actually drove an ice cream truck around in the summer. Talk about hard to keep up the respect for the teacher when you walk into you physics class and realize you are going to be taught by the guy you were buying fudgescicles from all of your life...

Not to mention the fact that his daughter was in the same class as I was, and didn't exactly have a stellar reputation...

252 posted on 07/02/2004 12:28:02 PM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Huh? placemarker


253 posted on 07/02/2004 12:32:33 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: NukeMan

Nope...it didn't change...just checked it and it's still the same...FAST!


254 posted on 07/02/2004 12:36:49 PM PDT by Hotdog
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To: GrandEagle; DannyTN
I'll reiterate, they were not there and do not know. I'll still accept Gods word on it, which has NOT changed, before I'll accept the word of scientists who don't even know how much there is to know, much less how much they do know.
Actually, when we view the light from a galaxy 8 billion light-years away, we are there in the sense that we see the galaxy exactly as it was 8 billion years ago.

God's word says nothing about the age of the universe. You're reading your own opinion into the Bible just as those who once claimed that the earth was the center of the universe read their own opinions into the Bible. The net result is that it makes Christianity look silly. People shouldn't leave their brains at the door when they become Christians.


255 posted on 07/10/2004 10:22:20 AM PDT by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike
"Actually, when we view the light from a galaxy 8 billion light-years away, we are there in the sense that we see the galaxy exactly as it was 8 billion years ago."

Maybe, maybe not. Scripture records 17 TIMES that God "stretched" the heavens. So how do you know that galaxy was 8 billion years away when the light was generated that you are seeing?

My understanding is that triangulation has only been done on a few nearby stars. That most distances are determined by "red shift" in the light. But do we understand physics well enough to say that the only cause of that red shift is distance? I doubt it.

Also my understanding is that quantized red shifts have popped up again as an issue. I saw a recent 2004 article on it, that if memory serves me correctly said Hubble had confirmed quantized red shifts. I know this debate has gone back and forth as to whether the quantized red shifts were really statistically significant or whether more accurate measurements had dispelled them.

Without understanding how the universe came into being, I'm not convinced that the light we are seeing is 8 billion years old.

256 posted on 07/10/2004 10:37:03 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DallasMike; GrandEagle

Not only are there unknowns due to our limitations in understanding physics pointed out in post 256.

But how do you know that God couldn't create the stars on the fourth day and have the rest of the universe age 14 billion years during a 24 hour period on earth?

I know there are people who say that if God allows anything to look old then He is guilty of deception. But I think it's entirely possible that he created the stars on the fourth day of creation some 6000-10,000 years ago, and that any apparent age is simply the by product of the processes God employed in order to make starlight for us. And imagination on the part of man that they know more than God and that God simply couldn't have created the universe some 6000 to 10000 years ago is simply arrogance combined with stupidity on behalf of man.

It's on the same intellectual level as accusing Levy of selling used Jeans (stonewashed) becaause everyone knows it takes 7 or 8 years and lots of washings for Jeans to fade.


257 posted on 07/10/2004 10:55:48 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; Beowulf; Bones75; BroJoeK; ...
Note: this topic is from 6/30/2004. Thanks NukeMan.


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258 posted on 09/02/2012 7:12:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NukeMan

I have to admit to being a bit peeved that I have not heard of this study earlier...


259 posted on 09/02/2012 10:18:30 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: NukeMan

‘Velly interesting ... but is it practical?’


260 posted on 09/02/2012 11:27:59 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Lijahsbubbe

I’m not reading any further than your post. ... If this whole shebang started with an initial burst of space and time and energy and has been expanding ever since, then the background conditions for all these constants must be changing as the zero-point field has more space and time in which to function and interact. It would be anomolous if the constants were not changing! But God’s Holy Spirit is what keeps the extremely delicate balance holding it all together, so we created beings aren’t going to effect any changes so’s you’d notice ...


261 posted on 09/02/2012 11:32:40 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: AFPhys
*** I have to admit to being a bit peeved that I have not heard of this study earlier... ***

Don't be. This study / experiment was debunked. About a week after this 'big announcement' in June.

Turns out that the 'scientists' didn't calibrate their instruments -- Oops. ;-)
So 'c' is still 186,000 mps (approx). And no new 'Speed Limit' signs need to be made ;-)

262 posted on 09/03/2012 3:35:13 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Condor51

I am sorry to tell you, but this particular article has nothing at all to do with that earlier Italian/etc. experiment that was debunked.

Please read the article. Instead of having to do with the flight time of neutrinos, this has to do with a change in the proportion of isotopes over a billion years of time.

In addition, “...recently...” in this case is on the order of 2Billion - 6Billion years ago,


263 posted on 09/04/2012 5:35:16 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Freesofar

[What does this mean to Einsteins theory of relativity where C is the speed of light ?]

That E is still relative to C.


264 posted on 09/04/2012 6:01:44 PM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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