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Electoral College Breakdown 2004, June 30th Update
ECB 2004 ^ | 6/30/04

Posted on 06/30/2004 7:52:15 PM PDT by Dales

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To: 91B

I think I have a greater chance of being elected President this term than that measure passing.


81 posted on 07/01/2004 7:56:18 AM PDT by Dales
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To: Dales

I hope you're right. As I understand it they haven't yet collected enough signature to put it on the ballot. If it gets on the ballot I hope the state Republican party will devote some time and effort to shooting it down.


82 posted on 07/01/2004 7:59:16 AM PDT by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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To: TomEwall

"That Kerry has been polling as well as he has in WI, IA and MN has been surprising to me."

Not me...they are the true Axis of Marx.


83 posted on 07/01/2004 8:02:15 AM PDT by Keith (IT'S ABOUT THE JUDGES)
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To: goldstategop
They evaluate national candidates by a different set of criteria.

I agree. But I believe that an unpopular and ultimately polarizing governor like Engler contributed to motivating the Dem base in 2000, just as it did in defeating Bush in the primaries when Dems crossed over just to spite Engler (who endorsed Bush).

84 posted on 07/01/2004 8:18:46 AM PDT by Dolphy
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To: 91B

I don't think there is any chance that voters will cast a ballot to dilute their state's electoral strength.


85 posted on 07/01/2004 8:23:20 AM PDT by Dales
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To: Dales

"I don't think there is any chance that voters will cast a ballot to dilute their state's electoral strength."



Yeah, who the hell would campaign in Colorado if carrying the state would net you 1 electoral vote (getting 5 for winning instead of getting 4 for losing)?

If proportional representation is implemented in presidential elections, the only way to make it fair would be if it is done federally so that it applies to every state, and even then its repercussions should be seriously scrutinized.


86 posted on 07/01/2004 9:01:18 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: HostileTerritory

Thanks..you're of course correct..don't know why I had that idea in my brain.


87 posted on 07/01/2004 9:52:06 AM PDT by ken5050 (We've looked for WMD in Iraq for LESS time than Hillary looked for the Rose Law firm billing records)
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To: goldstategop

It's not that unlikely that Kerry would take PA and lose WV. It happened last time, and I doubt Kerry is a more attractive candidate for the Mountain State.

Gore won PA by 5 and lost WV by 6. That's an 11 point difference.


88 posted on 07/01/2004 10:01:26 AM PDT by TomEwall
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation; Dales
Their latest polls are in CT and FL, and the CT struck me as odd being that they are showing a +8 shift to Kerry since June 1, over a time frame that almost every other poll out there has been showing moves to Bush. How reliable are they?

Dales -- any chance this is an outlier, or perhaps the Rowland resignation resulted in a negative bounce (guilt by association) for Bush?

89 posted on 07/01/2004 10:25:06 AM PDT by kevkrom (Reagan lives on... as long as we stay true to his legacy)
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To: 91B
Hmm, sounds like a great idea! In fact, I'm sure we can get enough sigs to get a similar measure on the ballots here in CA, and if it does, it will likely pass.

Its for this reason, the liberals don't want to open this can of worms.

90 posted on 07/01/2004 12:12:54 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation
The Weekly Standard pointed this out-that the libs only want this where it helps them, which is why they are in favor of it only in Colorado (right now).

I don't think it will pass, but we ought to be vigilant as always.

91 posted on 07/01/2004 12:22:22 PM PDT by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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To: 91B

Then, they're stupid. If there was any chance of this succeeding in CO, the CA R's would get the same thing on the ballot here, and it would pass. Not the outcome they would welcome.


92 posted on 07/01/2004 12:33:02 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Dales
I'm coming to this discussion late, as I just got home, but

*I did some calling for Bush/Cheney 2004 just before I left, and in talking to some people who did a "walk through" voter registration in Democratic Montgomery Co., OH, they said it was VERY successful, and they intend to carry the county this year. I think Bush lost this county by 5000 in 2000 and still carried OH. If we take Montgomery, Kerry cannot win.

*Couldn't tell if the VERY most recent AZ poll is included here, which has Bush up by a growing margin. Bush will definitely win AZ. That should be moved to the SOLID for Bush category.

If just one of the true battleground states---PA or MI goes for Bush; if he carries NM (which he lost by 500 votes in 2000) and if he takes WI, where he is now leading, he wins with 302 EVs. Adding in just MI or a combo of OR + NJ or both PA and MI, we are at about 330 EVs, or . . . exactly where I said Bush would be almost one year ago.

93 posted on 07/01/2004 9:58:40 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: comebacknewt

You are most correct on those four points, but WV's
changing demographics makes these less potent issues
for Bush. WV has one of the highest percentages of
retired and elderly in the country. Fears about the
solvency of Social Security and Medicare just might
give Kerry the edge needed to carry the electoral votes.


94 posted on 07/02/2004 11:17:33 AM PDT by buckalfa
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To: TomEwall
'Scientific' view forecasts a big Bush win
Reuters
July 01, 2004
Polls may show the presidential race in a dead heat, but for a small band of academics who use scientific formulas to predict elections, President Bush is on his way to a sizable win... Most of these academics are predicting Bush, bolstered by robust economic growth, will win between 53 and 58 percent of the votes cast for him and his Democratic opponent John Kerry... But one glaring error is what the forecasters are perhaps best remembered for: They predicted in 2000 that Democrat Al Gore would win easily, pegging his total at between 53 and 60 percent of the two-party vote... The forecasters chalk up the 2000 error to Gore's campaign, which distanced itself from the Clinton record. All the models assume the candidates will run reasonably competent campaigns, said Thomas Holbrook, a professor at the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee... Holbrook uses an economic indicator from the University of Michigan's survey of consumers. One question asks whether respondents are better or worse off financially than they were a year before. In May, 45 percent said they were better off. That is lower than the all-time election year high of 54 percent in 2000, Holbrook said, but higher than the 39 percent in 1996 when Clinton was re-elected.

95 posted on 07/02/2004 10:51:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: 91B
What have you heard regarding the initiative in Colorado to divide the state's electoral votes according to a candidate's percentage of the state's popular vote?

Doing it by popular vote would be bad, but doing it by congressional district (awarding the remaining two EVs to the overal winner) would seem reasonable. Though I think it would have to be a national change to have any effect.

BTW, even if the referendum in Colorado is to take effect "immediately", I find very dubious the notion that it could affect the result of an election that occurred before its passage. If the referrendum were one day and the presidential election the next, I could see that possibly passing the smell test, but FWIU the referrendum and the presidential election are simultaneous.

OTOH, if the referendum passes and the state goes narrowly for Kerry, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to the Republicans pushing to honor the referrendum, since the Democrats would certainly do so if it favored them.

96 posted on 07/04/2004 12:47:29 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Dales

I just love your weekly updates. Please put me on your ping list. Thanks.


97 posted on 07/07/2004 9:20:02 AM PDT by MindyW
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To: Dales

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The RNC should pay you for this service.


98 posted on 07/22/2004 9:16:23 AM PDT by Jack Black
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