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Iranian Alert -- July 3, 2004 [EST]-- IRAN LIVE THREAD -- "Americans for Regime Change in Iran"
The Iranian Student Movement Up To The Minute Reports ^ | 7.3.2004 | DoctorZin

Posted on 07/02/2004 9:00:07 PM PDT by DoctorZIn

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To: DoctorZIn

The regime is working hard to keep the news about the protest movement in Iran from being reported. Unfortunately, the regime has successfully prohibited western news reporters from covering the demonstrations. The voices of discontent within Iran are sometime murdered, more often imprisoned. Still the people continue to take to the streets to demonstrate against the regime.

This is the same thing the last ones that wanted to overthrow that government were saying.
"Stop The Flood Of Blood In Iran" I still have a handout given to me in Houston in the 70's by an Iranian "student" wanting to overthrow the Shah and bring back the Ayatolla.


51 posted on 07/03/2004 11:57:13 AM PDT by sawmill trash (NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!!)
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To: AdmSmith

Good observation


52 posted on 07/03/2004 12:03:51 PM PDT by nuconvert ( "Let Freedom Reign !" ) ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: sawmill trash

And your point is...?


53 posted on 07/03/2004 12:08:01 PM PDT by nuconvert ( "Let Freedom Reign !" ) ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert

As an Iranian I agree with you. US credit will be damaged here if the US doesnt help raise our voice over Saddams crimes. Caz the regime in Iran does not care about us.


54 posted on 07/03/2004 12:30:52 PM PDT by Khashayar (I love the USA, I hate the Mullahs!)
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To: Khashayar

Rafsanjani wants it turned into a circus. Not necessary. They can do as they are for Kuwait.

"US credit will be damaged here ...."

That's what I'm afraid of.


55 posted on 07/03/2004 12:37:43 PM PDT by nuconvert ( "Let Freedom Reign !" ) ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: Khashayar; freedom44; Cyrus the Great; Persia; downer911; nuconvert; McGavin999

Saddam will be tried for his crimes against Iranians too.


56 posted on 07/03/2004 12:56:31 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
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To: Khashayar
One last time...

The Iraqi government is under Iraqi control.

This entire agreement is playing into the hands of Rafsanjani.

For whatever reason, the Iraqi government has decided not to include crimes against Iran.

I can think of many possible reasons they might not want to include Iran.

For instance, they may not want to provide access to all the evidence against Saddam to Iranian prosecutors. Perhaps the don't want to force this young nation to undergo the humiliation of having Iranian prosecutors making its case against the Iraq/Iran war.

I don't know why they decided not to include Iran but this is no longer an issue for the US.

Even if you successfully forced Bush to publicly support the inclusion of Iran in the prosecutors, there is no guarantee that the Iraqi's would include them. It would only provide evidence that they are not sovereign after all.

This is exactly what Rafsanjani wants: confuse, divide and conquer.
57 posted on 07/03/2004 1:56:34 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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"they may not want to provide access to all the evidence against Saddam to Iranian prosecutors"

That's a good point. And yes, there are probably other reasons we won't know about, why the Iraqis decided not to include crimes against Iran.

"Rafsanjani...: confuse, divide and conquer"

You're right again. Thanks for the reminder.


58 posted on 07/03/2004 2:32:11 PM PDT by nuconvert ( "Let Freedom Reign !" ) ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert

You have a point. I hope that they include that Saddam used chemical warfare against Iran as well as his own population.


59 posted on 07/03/2004 2:43:53 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: nuconvert

We aren't in the business of giving concessions. The Iranians are not coming to the table from a position of strength. They have no right demanding what the US does or does not encourage the Iraqis to do in the Iraqi courts.

Saddam's atrocities rest with Saddam, not the Iraqi people who fought in the Iran-Iraq war. I very much doubt that there is much love lost between the Iraqis and the Iranians. With Saddam in the dock, Iraq can and will try him whichever way the citizens see fit.

Iran has no place in this matter. To acquiesce to the likes of Rasfanjani will only add to his clout in Iran. He is using this issue to draw the attention of the Iranian people away from the inner turmoil within Iran. Playing his game is not in the best interests of the US. We do nothing without it serving our ends, not that of the mullahs.


60 posted on 07/03/2004 5:15:26 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (" It is not true that life is one damn thing after another-it's one damn thing over and over." ESV)
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To: F14 Pilot
Uh, I realize that the mad mullahs have no idea how a fair trial is run, but this was just a preliminary hearing announcing that charges are going to be made. This was not a trial, it was not even a formal charging, it was a PRELIMINARY hearing.

The next step will be for all of them to be formally charged. At that hearing, they will all have legal representation and will be told when the trial will take place, they will at that time have the formal charges and the evidence. Saddam's trial will not take place until January, 2005 when Iraq has elected representatives.

The US has nothing to say about this trial, it's being run by the Iraqis for the Iraqis. If Iran wants him tried, they should contact the Iraqi prosecutor and present their evidence. The Iraqis would probably welcome their help.

61 posted on 07/03/2004 6:36:04 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: nuconvert

"Don't say this is only up to the Iraqis, 'cause all Bush would have to do is nod his head and the Iranians' charges would be heard also."

Iraq's sovereignty would be enhanced if the Iranians took their case directly to the Iraqis, rather than to attempt to convince an intermediary to make their case for participation.


62 posted on 07/03/2004 8:00:31 PM PDT by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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To: F14 Pilot

"We can not close our eyes on crimes committed by the mad dog of the middle east, Saddam. Can we?"

Absolutely not! It would be better for all concerned if the Iranians appealed to the Iraqis to present their charges.


63 posted on 07/03/2004 8:22:13 PM PDT by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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To: DoctorZIn
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64 posted on 07/03/2004 11:43:31 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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