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Iranian Alert -- July 3, 2004 [EST]-- IRAN LIVE THREAD -- "Americans for Regime Change in Iran"
The Iranian Student Movement Up To The Minute Reports ^ | 7.3.2004 | DoctorZin

Posted on 07/02/2004 9:00:07 PM PDT by DoctorZIn

The US media almost entirely ignores news regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran. As Tony Snow of the Fox News Network has put it, “this is probably the most under-reported news story of the year.” Most American’s are unaware that the Islamic Republic of Iran is NOT supported by the masses of Iranians today. Modern Iranians are among the most pro-American in the Middle East.

There is a popular revolt against the Iranian regime brewing in Iran today. I began these daily threads June 10th 2003. On that date Iranians once again began taking to the streets to express their desire for a regime change. Today in Iran, most want to replace the regime with a secular democracy.

The regime is working hard to keep the news about the protest movement in Iran from being reported. Unfortunately, the regime has successfully prohibited western news reporters from covering the demonstrations. The voices of discontent within Iran are sometime murdered, more often imprisoned. Still the people continue to take to the streets to demonstrate against the regime.

In support of this revolt, Iranians in America have been broadcasting news stories by satellite into Iran. This 21st century news link has greatly encouraged these protests. The regime has been attempting to jam the signals, and locate the satellite dishes. Still the people violate the law and listen to these broadcasts. Iranians also use the Internet and the regime attempts to block their access to news against the regime. In spite of this, many Iranians inside of Iran read these posts daily to keep informed of the events in their own country.

This daily thread contains nearly all of the English news reports on Iran. It is thorough. If you follow this thread you will witness, I believe, the transformation of a nation. This daily thread provides a central place where those interested in the events in Iran can find the best news and commentary. The news stories and commentary will from time to time include material from the regime itself. But if you read the post you will discover for yourself, the real story of what is occurring in Iran and its effects on the war on terror.

I am not of Iranian heritage. I am an American committed to supporting the efforts of those in Iran seeking to replace their government with a secular democracy. I am in contact with leaders of the Iranian community here in the United States and in Iran itself.

If you read the daily posts you will gain a better understanding of the US war on terrorism, the Middle East and why we need to support a change of regime in Iran. Feel free to ask your questions and post news stories you discover in the weeks to come.

If all goes well Iran will be free soon and I am convinced become a major ally in the war on terrorism. The regime will fall. Iran will be free. It is just a matter of time.

DoctorZin


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To: DoctorZIn
Mind you, I do agree that nuclear arms controls must apply impartially, meaning the whole region beginning with Israel should be cleared of all nuclear weapons.

Yup. That's impartial, all right.

41 posted on 07/03/2004 9:58:39 AM PDT by sionnsar (Azadi baraye Iran ||| Resource for Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: windchime
Bottom line...

How the trial proceeds is up to the Iraqi's...

The Mullahs of Iran will try to use anything they can to unite Iranians against the US and cause chaos in Iraq.

Frankly, I don't worry about this because the trial will not begin for many months. In the meantime, the stabilization of Iraq and/or liberation of Iran could be resolved long before the case comes to trial.
42 posted on 07/03/2004 10:04:18 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: sionnsar

Not likely to happen....


43 posted on 07/03/2004 10:05:10 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn

A view from Saudi on nukes in Iran:
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=47777&d=3&m=7&y=2004

Nuclear Weapons in the Mideast
Abdul Rahman Al-Rashid


I wasn?t sad the day Israel destroyed the Iraqi Tamouz reactor 20 years ago, and I will be a lot happier if the remaining reactors in Iran and Israel are also destroyed. How can a region full of idiots and ripe with disagreements keep such destructive weapons safe?

The Iranians give paltry excuses, saying that the reactors produce cooking fuel and water reservoirs. We would be also stupid if it didn?t occur to us that they were in fact producing nuclear bombs by which they can threaten neighboring countries.

It is unlikely that a country with a wealth of cheap oil would build expensive reactors that require rare technology and are dangerous to maintain just to produce electricity when it could easily do so using the available diesel for a quarter of the price and in huge quantities. They are trying to convince the world that the enriched uranium will not be used to build an arsenal of nuclear weapons. Only idiots would believe that. Others want to convince us that the purpose of any nuclear weapons would be to create a balance of power with Israel and not to threaten Arab countries. This is dubious because Iran has never been a front in the confrontation with Israel and never will be. Mind you, I do agree that nuclear arms controls must apply impartially, meaning the whole region beginning with Israel should be cleared of all nuclear weapons.

Iranians will be much safer if Mohammed El-Baradei, who heads the International Atomic Energy Agency, succeeds in transforming these nuclear towers into tourist sites or grain stores for cattle and save locals from the danger of leakage and radiation. The Iranian people will save billions of dollars if their government abandons this huge military project, which can only mean poverty and destruction for Iranians and would destroy us all.

In order for international dialogue to make any sense we must insist on ridding Israel of its nuclear arsenal, which is a threat to the region and the world and only encourages other countries to acquire them too. Israel justifies its huge arsenal as self-defense against the forest of monsters in which it lives. But if the forest goes up in flames, Israel will either get burned by the fire or the nuclear dust that will radiate. At the moment we live at the mercy of extremists in countries like Israel and Iran, whether they came to power democratically or by other means.

If the world could rid the Middle East of all weapons of mass destruction now that Saddam and his hypothetical arsenal are gone, it would avert a great evil. Acquiring banned weapons is no longer impossible, no matter how hard the IAEA agents try. The fact remains that what the IAEA is doing in Iran is great work and greatly benefits the region. It is in the interest of our brothers in Iran to accept that too.


44 posted on 07/03/2004 10:20:42 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: DoctorZIn

"The Mullahs of Iran will try to use anything they can to unite Iranians against the US and cause chaos in Iraq."

Exactly! and you also said:

"How the trial proceeds is up to the Iraqi's..."

As it should be.


45 posted on 07/03/2004 10:22:44 AM PDT by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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To: windchime

Saddam killed almost one million Iranians and used Chemical Weapons against them.


46 posted on 07/03/2004 10:49:16 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (John ''Fedayeen" sKerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: windchime; nuconvert; Pan_Yans Wife

We can not close our eyes on crimes committed by the mad dog of the middle east, Saddam. Can we?


47 posted on 07/03/2004 10:51:06 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (John ''Fedayeen" sKerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: F14 Pilot

The Kurds in Iran: A Forgotten Struggle

By Reza Jalali, a Kurd from Iran and writer

http://www.kurdmedia.com/news.asp?id=5193


48 posted on 07/03/2004 10:56:55 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (John ''Fedayeen" sKerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: F14 Pilot
The victims of Saddam are countless. The trial of Saddam will never satisfied them all, nor can it.

But this discussion is academic, because the Iraqi people will try them.

What they want to prosecute him for is up to them. They are the nones that have to prove their case, not the US, Iran, nor the UN.
49 posted on 07/03/2004 11:20:16 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; windchime; DoctorZIn

Who said anything about an international court? Who said anything about the Hague? They permitted the Kuwaitis to bring charges against Saddam, they should permit the Iranians the same. The Iraqis can still handle it all themselves.

You're all missing the important issues.

Doesn't it matter at all how this is going to affect the Iranians? They're being shut out of this 'democratic' process. These are people that we want to have trust us, believe us, be allies of ours, and they're being ignored. Don't say this is only up to the Iraqis, 'cause all Bush would have to do is nod his head and the Iranians' charges would be heard also. All they deserve is the treatment given to Kuwait. No more, no less. And if we don't see that they get that, we will forever damage our credibility with the Iranian people. The U.S. wants to bring down the regime so we can have people running the country that we trust. After all, they have the nuke facilities there which are a threat to us and the rest of the (western) world and we can't get at all the material that's stored. We want the Iranian people to be on our 'side'. What good is supporting a change in regime if the new government doesn't like us or trust us either?




50 posted on 07/03/2004 11:50:16 AM PDT by nuconvert ( "Let Freedom Reign !" ) ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: DoctorZIn

The regime is working hard to keep the news about the protest movement in Iran from being reported. Unfortunately, the regime has successfully prohibited western news reporters from covering the demonstrations. The voices of discontent within Iran are sometime murdered, more often imprisoned. Still the people continue to take to the streets to demonstrate against the regime.

This is the same thing the last ones that wanted to overthrow that government were saying.
"Stop The Flood Of Blood In Iran" I still have a handout given to me in Houston in the 70's by an Iranian "student" wanting to overthrow the Shah and bring back the Ayatolla.


51 posted on 07/03/2004 11:57:13 AM PDT by sawmill trash (NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!!)
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To: AdmSmith

Good observation


52 posted on 07/03/2004 12:03:51 PM PDT by nuconvert ( "Let Freedom Reign !" ) ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: sawmill trash

And your point is...?


53 posted on 07/03/2004 12:08:01 PM PDT by nuconvert ( "Let Freedom Reign !" ) ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert

As an Iranian I agree with you. US credit will be damaged here if the US doesnt help raise our voice over Saddams crimes. Caz the regime in Iran does not care about us.


54 posted on 07/03/2004 12:30:52 PM PDT by Khashayar (I love the USA, I hate the Mullahs!)
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To: Khashayar

Rafsanjani wants it turned into a circus. Not necessary. They can do as they are for Kuwait.

"US credit will be damaged here ...."

That's what I'm afraid of.


55 posted on 07/03/2004 12:37:43 PM PDT by nuconvert ( "Let Freedom Reign !" ) ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: Khashayar; freedom44; Cyrus the Great; Persia; downer911; nuconvert; McGavin999

Saddam will be tried for his crimes against Iranians too.


56 posted on 07/03/2004 12:56:31 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
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To: Khashayar
One last time...

The Iraqi government is under Iraqi control.

This entire agreement is playing into the hands of Rafsanjani.

For whatever reason, the Iraqi government has decided not to include crimes against Iran.

I can think of many possible reasons they might not want to include Iran.

For instance, they may not want to provide access to all the evidence against Saddam to Iranian prosecutors. Perhaps the don't want to force this young nation to undergo the humiliation of having Iranian prosecutors making its case against the Iraq/Iran war.

I don't know why they decided not to include Iran but this is no longer an issue for the US.

Even if you successfully forced Bush to publicly support the inclusion of Iran in the prosecutors, there is no guarantee that the Iraqi's would include them. It would only provide evidence that they are not sovereign after all.

This is exactly what Rafsanjani wants: confuse, divide and conquer.
57 posted on 07/03/2004 1:56:34 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn

"they may not want to provide access to all the evidence against Saddam to Iranian prosecutors"

That's a good point. And yes, there are probably other reasons we won't know about, why the Iraqis decided not to include crimes against Iran.

"Rafsanjani...: confuse, divide and conquer"

You're right again. Thanks for the reminder.


58 posted on 07/03/2004 2:32:11 PM PDT by nuconvert ( "Let Freedom Reign !" ) ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert

You have a point. I hope that they include that Saddam used chemical warfare against Iran as well as his own population.


59 posted on 07/03/2004 2:43:53 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: nuconvert

We aren't in the business of giving concessions. The Iranians are not coming to the table from a position of strength. They have no right demanding what the US does or does not encourage the Iraqis to do in the Iraqi courts.

Saddam's atrocities rest with Saddam, not the Iraqi people who fought in the Iran-Iraq war. I very much doubt that there is much love lost between the Iraqis and the Iranians. With Saddam in the dock, Iraq can and will try him whichever way the citizens see fit.

Iran has no place in this matter. To acquiesce to the likes of Rasfanjani will only add to his clout in Iran. He is using this issue to draw the attention of the Iranian people away from the inner turmoil within Iran. Playing his game is not in the best interests of the US. We do nothing without it serving our ends, not that of the mullahs.


60 posted on 07/03/2004 5:15:26 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (" It is not true that life is one damn thing after another-it's one damn thing over and over." ESV)
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