Posted on 07/03/2004 7:29:13 PM PDT by Spackidagoosh
Gen. Giap: Kerry's Group Helped Hanoi Defeat U.S.
The North Vietnamese general in charge of the military campaign that finally drove the U.S. out of South Vietnam in 1975 credited a group led by Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry with helping him achieve victory.
In his 1985 memoir about the war, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S. - according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North.
That's why, he predicted on Tuesday, the Vietnam War issue "is going to blow up in Kerry's face."
"People are going to remember Gen. Giap saying if it weren't for these guys [Kerry's group], we would have lost," North told radio host Sean Hannity.
"The Vietnam Veterans Against the War encouraged people to desert, encouraged people to mutiny - some used what they wrote to justify fragging officers," noted the former Marine lieutenant colonel, who earned two purple hearts in Vietnam.
"John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands," North said.
- scopes.com may have the skinny/
"Sorry, no matches were found containing 'kerry giap'."
So sayeth snopes.
"Aid and Comfort": Jane Fonda in North Vietnam, Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer, McFarland & Co., 2002, page 80:
Fonda's trip to Hanoi sent a message not only to the American public, but to the North Vietnamese as well. Here is an exchange between The Wall Street Journal and Col. Bui Tin, a dedicated Communist cadre for most of this life, and one of the first officers of the North Vietnamese army to enter Saigon on the day it fell.
Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's Victory?
A: It was essential to our strategy. Support for the war from our rear [from China] was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda. . .gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vienamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us.
Q: Did the politburo pay attention to these visits?
A: Keenly.
Q: Why?
A: Those people represented the conscience of America. The conscience of America was part of its war-making capability, and we were turning that power in our favor. America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.14
14. "How North Vietnam Won the War," The Wall Street Journal, August 3, 1995; emphasis added.
What does the above have to do with this article's specifics?
 The book that Kerry wishes would just go away. |
HanoiJohnKerry.com is a blog with a primary purpose. That purpose is to counter the preposterous claims of Sen. John Forbes Kerry (D-MA) that he has any legitimate claim to any sort of "brotherhood" among combat veterans of the War in Vietnam. While it is generally supposed that his service as a Naval officer on a "Swift Boat" in that theater was adequate and honorable, there is much to question regarding his readiness to allow the accolade "war hero" to be applied to him. Likewise, it is not at all uncommon for more senior Naval officers to raise an eyebrow at the swiftness and relative comfort by which Lt. JG Kerry attained those medals, and who is available to vouch for the efficacy of his being awarded them (since, as boat commander, it would be his own task to make recommendation for awards for all personnel, including himself, on the Swift Boat). But most egregious was his conduct, words and associations upon his early-out (from SEA) return to the USA and discharge from the US Navy. His leadership role with the radical pro-Communist (inaccurate to deem this group "anti-war") group called "Vietnam Veterans Against the [Vietnam] War" (hereafter VVAW). |
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It was while climbing the social and political ladder of the pro-Soviet Left as a principle of VVAW that John Kerry found his political soul-mate in Hanoi Jane Fonda. Granted, these politically formative years for Kerry were prior to the more outlandish acts of Fonda that earned her that name, but it is easily documentable that Fonda did not under go any radical transformation in belief or character from the time she and Kerry were working the same side of the street to the time she traveled to Hanoi, NVN and entered US history as the most overt traitor to ever NOT be charged, tried and executed. John Kerry went to his own overt extremes to demonstrate that, politically, socially and in lowness of character, there wasn't a nickel's worth of difference between he and Fonda. Thus, in the spirit of fairness and accuracy, we are reasonably certain that he will be agreeably flattered by calling him Hanoi John Kerry. |
 Here, testifying before the Fulbright Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is where John Kerry, spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War, cemented his position and moniker as "Hanoi John" Kerry. This was the occasion where US troops still in the field in Vietnam learned from one of their FORMER brothers-in-arms that they were heinous murderers and war criminals. HJK would now like to call on them for support in his bid to be the new Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. Perhaps the most preposterous hypocrisy of all. |
#23. Thanks for the Post and PING, PhilDragoo!!!!:-)
Best FReegards, D2
So far the Kerry camp has weathered 3 rumors - the affairs rumor - the faked Jane and Kerry photo and this story - so my question is who is putting these things out there? Methinks the Kerry camp is putting out disinfo in order to blunt any true stories about Kerry's "messy" past?
kerry's admissions before a U.S. Congressional Commitee are on record:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1091943/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1160580/posts
They may not need to, with Newsmax charging forward
No need to be afraid that I converted and need to bombard me with facts about another sort of - somewhat related topic to this article. Your links had nothing to do with this article's specific assertions.
I am curious - why did you suddenly feel a need to post those links to me? Did you assume I was unaware of them?
This is what you just did to me - Now we all agree Hitler was evil, right? Now let's say an urban legend pops up that says Hitler had sex with his mother. It sounds true - because Hitler had an intense attachment to his mother - but no truth exists between that idea.
So I would post back - I don't think Hitler had sex with his mother - and the response by you would be to post links to Hitler's sexual problems and possible homosexual leanings - as if my questioning a false legend about Hitler banging his mother somehow was a defense of that monster.
Ease up.
Mango ping...
But those that post all those links act as if we just did something positive for Kerry and need to be corrected in our actions with alternate posts - which do not relate to this topic.
That is the behavior I don't get.
A lot of your post to me was unnecessary. All I was trying to point out to you was that kerry, not belonging to an Official U.S. delegation, went to Paris in 1971 and negotiated with NVA and Viet Cong Officials on his behalf and NOT of the U.S. Governments behalf, it was not sanctioned by the U.S. Government. kerry was still part of the inactive reserve at this time.
I know Kerry went to Paris - an act he should have gone to jail for. But why did you post it? It did not prove this specific Newsmax article correct.
So were you posting those links to me to imply that this disputed Newsmax article was indeed correct? That is what I am confused about. What your links have to do with proving the specifics in this disputed article.
I did not mean to have it sound like a flame - was not.
I posted those links to you in case you were unaware of them, that is all. and enough of the hitler analogies in your post to me. They are unnecessary. And No I did not think you were flaming me just as I am not flaming you, Destro. I have seen your posts before and know you have been around here a long time now.
But Sorry, Gen. Giap did claim in his writings, the VVAW(which includes kerry) and other protesters'(including ms. ACK ACK Fonda were by and large part of their success in Viet Nam, exactly what is being done today by the left against our War on Terror.
P.S. Some of the poeple who do not want to fight the terrorists, their friends are listed below:
http://www.cpusa.org/
http://www.dsausa.org/
DSA's "Progressive Caucas" Links below:
http://bernie.house.gov/pc/
http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp
They are the Enemy Within!!!!
So it seems Newsmax got the jist of the story correct but confused where the facts came from or confused the facts a little? Hmmmmm..........
Which leads me to think - Is the Kerry camp spinning these so called urban legends - making them more juicy so that they can be spread and then bebunked - and once debunked no one in the medias will look into the true facts of the story? I know that sound paranoid but it also sounds true.
That possibly could be the case, Destro.
Check out my post #28 and #33.
I can see that you might suspect that, but I don't. No one has denied the flaws in Newsmax' story, and some have acknowledged them.
Later - time to hit the hay.
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