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Giant bombs on giant rockets: Project Icarus
The Space Review ^ | 07/05/04 | Dwayne A. Day

Posted on 07/05/2004 6:20:52 PM PDT by KevinDavis

In the late 1990s, spurred on by the crash of a comet into Jupiter, Hollywood embraced the meteor disaster movie. The films were loud, but forgettable, and Hollywood has since found other disasters to worry about. But over thirty years ago, a group of engineers in training at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology designed a far more realistic defense against a doomsday rock. Their plan would have involved a half-dozen Saturn V rockets carrying some really big bombs.

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TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: goliath; nukes; space

1 posted on 07/05/2004 6:20:53 PM PDT by KevinDavis
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To: RightWhale; Brett66; xrp; gdc314; sionnsar; *Space; anymouse; RadioAstronomer; NonZeroSum; ...

Space Ping! This is the Space Ping List! Let me know if you want on or off this list!


2 posted on 07/05/2004 6:21:38 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: KevinDavis

Please add me to the Space Ping list.


3 posted on 07/05/2004 6:23:33 PM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: KevinDavis

What I got out of this article is that gently pushing a pile of peanuts around the table beats the sin of covering Natalie Wood with mud.


4 posted on 07/05/2004 6:27:10 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: KevinDavis
The Payload Module would have carried a 100-megaton bomb shaped as a cylinder roughly three feet in diameter and mounted horizontally along the diameter of the spacecraft. The bomb would weigh 18,150 kilograms.

That's one mother of a payload.
5 posted on 07/05/2004 6:29:22 PM PDT by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")
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To: KevinDavis

Hmmm, TsarBomba was 100 MT ... and carried by a Bear or a Badger bomber IIRC.


6 posted on 07/05/2004 6:33:05 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Many a law, many a commandment have I broken, but my word never.)
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To: KevinDavis

The MIT study was a class project. They looked at a few things they could calculate, but ignored private property rights in outer space.


7 posted on 07/05/2004 6:38:21 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: RightWhale

but ignored private property rights in outer space???

Have I missed some colonization news somewhere?


8 posted on 07/05/2004 6:40:51 PM PDT by steplock ( www.spadata.com)
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To: Centurion2000
No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No!

Read the Scientific Anmerican for Dec 2003. An ion propulsion tug could do the job without the massive explosions which turn an asteroid into birdshot which would pepper the Earth!

Spend the money on a better surveillance system to plot the orbits of the Near Earth Asteroids and then calculate their trajectory. If they need movin' then a gentle tug or push solves the problem.

BTW if they contain valuable material, carbonaecious or metalic, then shift them to a LaGrange point and then mine them for all their worth. "High Frontier" anyone. I still have my first edition published in '76!

9 posted on 07/05/2004 6:41:14 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: Centurion2000
It was a TU-95 "Bear-A" that carried the Tsar-Bomba.

Actually, the Soviets planned to use their N-1 moon rocket as an ICBM to carry the 100 megaton bomb. However, such a weapon is militarily useless and the N-1 blew up on its only two launch attempts.

10 posted on 07/05/2004 6:44:43 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: Young Werther

Earth first!!!! We can strip mine the other planets later.


11 posted on 07/05/2004 6:45:13 PM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: steplock

The President's Commission report mentions lack of private property rights as being a major impediment to space development. If you want private enterprise in outer space, establish private property rights.


12 posted on 07/05/2004 6:46:13 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: KevinDavis
The only option was a fast intercept—fly out to Icarus and detonate a bomb near the surface to change its course.

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...nobody was sure how a nuclear bomb would act in space or how it would affect Icarus—and because nuclear testing in space was effectively banned in the 1960s we still do not know.

Does anyone else here think detonating a nuclear weapon near the surface would be almost useless? Most of the damage from these comes from a blast wave, which would be absent in space. The heat, radiation, and EMP would also be useless, leaving only the mass of the bomb to do any damage. It would have been better to model a high velocity impact of cement warheads.

13 posted on 07/05/2004 6:53:16 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: KevinDavis
This subject was well covered in a science fiction story from the late '60's, A Torrent of Faces, by James Blish and Norman L. Knight. Great read, highly detailed description of life on technically advanced Earth of the future. A gigantic floating hotel moored on the Barrier Reef, with 100,000 guests, is one of the sites on which the story of the impace unfolds. They try to melt the incoming asteroid (called "Flavia") with high-power laser strikes, but it doesn't work very well.

(steely)

14 posted on 07/05/2004 6:57:48 PM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: KevinDavis
But any actual saving of planet Earth would require detecting a killer asteroid a decade or more in advance.

Even if it were true, they'd have a heckuva time convincing folks it wasn't a NWO plot to take over the world.

Cool article.

15 posted on 07/05/2004 7:37:47 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: COEXERJ145; Centurion2000
Actually the 100MT bomb was mainly propaganda and a disinformantion smokescreen.

The real weapon was the 50MT tactical version without the U-238 final stage fission jacket.

To be dropped on West German positions in front of advancing Warsaw Pact troops.

16 posted on 07/05/2004 8:26:33 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (/"Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: Oztrich Boy

The 50 megaton bomb, which was the weapon actually tested, could have been boosted up to 100 megatons with the use of a uranium tamper on the second and tertiary. Of course this would have kicked the fallout up to such a level that it would have been suicidal for the Russians to use it anywhere in Continental Europe.


17 posted on 07/05/2004 8:35:04 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: COEXERJ145
Could have, but the 100mT boast was basically a Kruschev propaganda threat.

Whereas there were actually plans to use the 50MT "daisy cutter" version.

18 posted on 07/05/2004 8:41:58 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (/"Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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