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***GOTTA SEE THIS***N. Korean Spies Trailing US Defector in Indonesia Caught By Japan TV (Video)
JNN TV , Tokyo (Video Stream) ^ | 12 July 2004 | JNN TV (Video Stream)

Posted on 07/12/2004 12:21:10 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo

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To: Blood of Tyrants

What if he is not proven guilty?


41 posted on 07/12/2004 2:18:42 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (***Since The Iraq War & Transition Period Began, NORTH KOREA HAS MANUFACTURED (8) NUCLEAR WEAPONS***)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I don't understand why NK would let him go, and then send three obvious agents to harass him in a third-party country while he's under direct sponsorship of the Japanese.

And why would Jakarta agree to this arrangement (aside from Japan's clout). NK is on Indo's visa-restricted list.

Indo's lack of a U.S. extradition treaty seems irrelevant, since Indo offers only 2-month nonrenewable visas (unless, I suppose, under prodding from Japan). Still, it would seem remarkable for Indo to offer him any kind of asylum. He's definitely off to Japan at some point.

So why didn't they just ship him to Japan in the first place? Why Indo?

Very strange indeed.


42 posted on 07/12/2004 2:32:27 PM PDT by angkor
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To: CatoRenasci
"Actually punishing this guy is probably less important, IMHO, than getting the most intelligence..."

I agree; after all, this guy has punished himself about as much as a person can.

Since he was doing a hitch in South Korea he wouldn't have to do one in Vietnam - so why he would want to defect to the North I can't imagine - the guy must be nuts - probably was of minimal value to the North - and will now probably be considered a security threat and an embarrassment to them.

43 posted on 07/12/2004 2:35:46 PM PDT by wasnova
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To: CatoRenasci

He's not gonna' be punished. There is clearly something else at stake here, and Jenkins is merely a pawn.


44 posted on 07/12/2004 2:41:02 PM PDT by angkor
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To: CatoRenasci

I like the way you think. That works for me.


45 posted on 07/12/2004 4:17:25 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
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Yeah, this is hilarious. Especially, Japanese TV crew following N. Koreans and checking out what is left of their dinner at a party after they left.

46 posted on 07/12/2004 5:16:18 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I'm just kiddin'; do as you choose.


47 posted on 07/12/2004 5:16:44 PM PDT by society-by-contract
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To: AmericanInTokyo

gitmo the bastard


48 posted on 07/12/2004 5:42:42 PM PDT by samtheman (www.georgewbush.com)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Not guilty of desertion and defecting to the enemy? Well, I guess that he could have been there all along and they just missed him somehow. NOT!


49 posted on 07/12/2004 7:22:03 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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What's all this debrief crap? Why would he know anything of value any more than any other NK unless he was in the gubmint there? Shoot the bastid and pi$$ on the carcass for the sake of my father-in-law.


50 posted on 07/12/2004 7:34:51 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Ross perot defected???


51 posted on 07/12/2004 7:36:56 PM PDT by flashbunny (Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

so what's so special about Jenkins ? My opinion is let Jenkins in North Korea and let him live in hardships and poverty.I think that's an apt punishment for a traitor like him.he's a shame to american people and truly not deserving to be an american.I'm not an american myself, I'm a Filipino but I think he denounced his birthright when he deserted,right? He wanted to be a communist so let him be


52 posted on 07/12/2004 8:49:26 PM PDT by Motong
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To: CatoRenasci
"It seems likely that he did betray his country and deserves punishment on some metaphysical level"

Seems likely?????, the bastard walked across the border into north korea is 1965, that is betrayal during time of war. There was a little thing called Vietnam going on at the time. I don't know what this piece of dog crap's MOS was, but there is a chance he had information that would benefit the north vietnamse which means his action could have caused the deaths of US personnel. As for the world watching, to paraphrase VP Cheney; They can screw themselves. The people that are pro-America wouldn't care and the ones that are anti-America would see it as a sign of weakness. Also,I am not sure we could or should believe anything he might say. Never trust a traitor
53 posted on 07/13/2004 5:46:49 AM PDT by sticker
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To: wasnova
Since he was doing a hitch in South Korea he wouldn't have to do one in Vietnam

Why do you say that?

54 posted on 07/13/2004 5:58:13 AM PDT by Rider on the Rain
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To: sticker

Whatever the facts look like, in our system there is at least a presumption of innocence. I haven't read any of the testimony in the case or whatever investigation the Army conducted at the time. Until he admits guilt, or is duly convicted by Court Martial, he's only an alleged deserter.


55 posted on 07/13/2004 5:59:21 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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I think that Japan should build some nukes and use 'em on Pyongang. The kidnapping of Japanese citzens by NK agents should be considered and act of WAR!

As the deserter, Jenkins, we should snatch him (killing all of his handlers in the process), interrogate him and shoot him.


56 posted on 07/13/2004 6:04:37 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: CatoRenasci
Asserting the queer and foreign concept here on FR to the armchair warriors and hotheads who shoot from the hip perahsp with little facts nor familiarity with this case, that somehow people are 'presumed innocent until proven guilty', (a fundamental pillar of our American system of justice and freedom), is liable to piss off a lot of people here who like I said, probably have never even heard of Jenkins until this thread and are ready to try and execute him already.

That is why those people don't run public policy.

There is a lot more here than meets the eye and clearly there is something more we can get out of it to our advantage.

It is plausible, although not likely, that he was one of many Westerners kidnapped to the North, back in those days (1960s, 1970s) due to inconsistencies and oddities in his letters he sent back to his relatives.

The Pentagon's case is not so hot either from what I have gathered, as they have "lost" a number of the letters he sent from Pyongyang that his relatives never saw.

If he is guilty, in US custody and with his case adjudicated lawfully under the UCMJ, we will find out what the truth is. In the meantime, what people don't realize is the guy lived in the foreigners complex in Pyongyang, or at Amnokgang Teacher's College, interracting with other Americans, some of them POWs and a few of them perhaps up there in the hellish DPRK against their will for years. They may be dead now, for all we know, but that alone is a treasure trove of intelligence from such a hermetically-sealed adversary nation as the DPRK. Not to mention, he is not 'starving' in one of these enclaves. While not paradise, he certainly is not starving up there and given privileges. For whatever reason, he has outlived his usefulness to the North Koreans. It is now up to the US, IMHO, to make USEFUL TO US. At any rate, Jenkins, in appeared at a "public function" (i.e. the Japanese Ambassador to Indonesia's residence for dinner) without his Kim Il Sung badge, is tantamount to saying he is going West, and that is also what has pissed off the North Koreans in his hotel who are trying incessantly through the Japanese government, Japanese journalists and even lowly hotel workers to "access him." As of this morning, it was clear he wanted to go to Japan, and that is where he will probably end up in several days, with the US looking the other way for the time being (at least until after the November elections) when other arrangements will probably be made out: suspended sentence in turn for intelligence, denial to ever return to the US, whatever.

57 posted on 07/13/2004 6:29:01 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (***Since The Iraq War & Transition Period Began, NORTH KOREA HAS MANUFACTURED (8) NUCLEAR WEAPONS***)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
FYI

VIDEO LINK EXPIRED, NO LONGER GOOD (Tuesday, U.S. Time), as expected. Hope somebody archived it.

58 posted on 07/13/2004 6:38:16 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (***Since The Iraq War & Transition Period Began, NORTH KOREA HAS MANUFACTURED (8) NUCLEAR WEAPONS***)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

What you said. Scary, isn't it. I spend less time on FR than I used to, and more on blogs.


59 posted on 07/13/2004 6:41:38 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: CatoRenasci
1. He walked across to north korea
2. HE WALKED ACROSS TO north korea

What is there to think about? Make the POS live the rest of his life in dear old commie land, that would be better punishment than prison.
60 posted on 07/13/2004 11:24:14 AM PDT by sticker
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