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Experts Set a Lower Low for Cholesterol Levels
NY Times ^ | July 13, 2004 | GINA KOLATA

Posted on 07/12/2004 11:48:01 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 07/12/2004 11:48:02 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: fourdeuce82d; El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; ...

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2 posted on 07/12/2004 11:49:19 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

How many new customers for cholesterol drugs have just been created?


3 posted on 07/12/2004 11:50:44 PM PDT by Petronski (Soros: a left-wing billionaire currency speculator who funds many liberal efforts)
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How many new (potential) customers for cholesterol drugs have just been created?

"Millions of Americans will be affected by the new advice, said Dr. Christie M. Ballantyne, director of the Center for Cardiovascular Protection at Baylor College of Medicine. He said that among the more than 28 million Americans at high risk, at least 8 million had L.D.L. levels of 100 to 129."

It depends on how many have to pay out of pocket.

4 posted on 07/13/2004 12:27:30 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

What about side effects? I know people who had muscle soreness that preceeds muscle destruction and had to stop taking statins. I understand there are some digestive side effects, as well.

This is reminding me of the old aggressive guidelines for HRT.
With this large a sample, what will the downside be in 5 years or so?


5 posted on 07/13/2004 2:10:16 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Proud Bush-Cheney04 volunteer)
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What about side effects? I know people who had muscle soreness that preceeds muscle destruction and had to stop taking statins.

They shove the liver to a new risk level. Enzymes have to be monitored on a regular basis.

6 posted on 07/13/2004 2:15:36 AM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: Petronski

Exactly my thought. I heard this in the truck on the radio and my first reaction was: Here's another 40 million new patients that will clog the system trying to be "healthy" by a new standard.
When Clintoon was in office, he signed off on new standards for obesity. Overnight I went from 15 pounds overweight to OBESE with his signature. Considering the size of Hitlery, I wonder if he was trying to get her institutionalized based on her out of control OBESITY?????


7 posted on 07/13/2004 2:20:40 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: Glenn

True. On the other hand, studies show that statins reduce the risk of stroke and may reduce the risk of colon and other forms of cancer by over 30%. Just like aspirin, statins seem to have many unintended consequences, both positive and negative.


8 posted on 07/13/2004 2:29:01 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (Kerry and Edwards = Flip and Flop)
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To: reformedliberal

Have you seen the new commercials on blood pressure? Looks like they want any one above 120/80 on BP meds...even children.


9 posted on 07/13/2004 4:06:48 AM PDT by GailA (hanoi john kerry, I'm for the death penalty, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: Glenn
They shove the liver to a new risk level. Enzymes have to be monitored on a regular basis.

Yes, and we do not know the long term consequences of shutting off a couple of the metabolic pathways. So far there has been no statistical correlation between taking statins and actual increases in longevity, and some Lipitor ads carry that disclaimer.

The only "fact" in all this is the very high price of a very simple compound that a freshman Chem major could make in a dorm room.

10 posted on 07/13/2004 4:27:30 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Kerry, who refuses to go to work, "Knows how to put America back to work"!)
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To: reformedliberal

My husband was put on Lipitor and a week later got the muscle aches and a really nasty rash that at first we thought was poison ivy (but wasn't). He's off it now and the aches are gone but the rash is slow going away.

LQ


11 posted on 07/13/2004 4:43:09 AM PDT by LizardQueen
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To: neverdem

Yet another scam by the drug companies and the live-forever-on-drugs cult...


12 posted on 07/13/2004 4:45:36 AM PDT by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line)
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To: neverdem

Care to guess who paid for the study that "proved" cholestrol needs to be lowered even more?


13 posted on 07/13/2004 4:48:07 AM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound (If you can read this, you are too close!)
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To: Petronski

I drink, smoke, eat meat, eggs, fish and cheese. I take no prescription drugs. And I'll outlive every doctor I've ever seen.


14 posted on 07/13/2004 4:49:41 AM PDT by Trickyguy
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To: neverdem

Man, since when did the quest for a long miserable life become a medical ideal?


15 posted on 07/13/2004 4:57:39 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Life begins at conception. Kerry supports abortion. He is evil, lying, or insane.)
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To: Trickyguy

Same here, except that I'm not fond of eggs and we eat no processed or fast food-none of us are overweight, and my husband has already outlived two doctors he knew who insisted that to be healthy, you had to give up drinking, smoking, red meat, cheese, coffee etc-they both died of heart attacks before the age of 60...


16 posted on 07/13/2004 4:58:55 AM PDT by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line)
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To: Glenn; neverdem

So, not only will the drug companies benefit, the labs will also, due both to an increased number of patients on statins, as well as more people being checked for cholesterol problems.


17 posted on 07/13/2004 5:23:19 AM PDT by Born Conservative ("Nothing wrong with shooting as long as the right people get shot" - Dirty Harry)
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People also need periodic liver screens....more $$ to the testing system. More MD appointments.

I think they want to take statins to OTC, as well.


18 posted on 07/13/2004 6:57:11 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Proud Bush-Cheney04 volunteer)
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To: GailA

They changed the height/weight charts. They are changing the *food pyramid*(I can barely contain my excitement). In effect, our rations have been cut and dietary control is not even stealth, anymore

BP drugs will keep everyone mellow. They will also be selling more Viagra, et al.

Statins will make money for the drug companies and having everyone on them means they will go generic faster and go OTC,w/volume making up the profit differential, IMO. Already we have OJ and margerine w/sterols in them. Loads of people are taking Red Yeast for lipids.

Those who don't tolerate statins will be bullied into becoming runners and vegetarians on *common good* grounds. If that generates anxiety, we can give them even more beta blockers.

I used to stick up for the medical community and thought the idea of all of us being controlled by the state was tin-foil. I am becoming a believer.

Our bodies' systems consist of tightly-controlled, balanced and inter-related pathways. We had loads of studies *proving* HRT was advantageous in preventing heart attacks and strokes, It proved wrong. Of course, that was after most women over 45 were on the hormones.

I don't think they care how long we live. They want to reduce the pressure on hospitals and ORs. Pills, tests, and office visits will keep the system solvent at a lower cost in dollars and skilled med staff. Lower level medical workers can handle the various office visits. Less fodder for the tort lawyers, until, of course, the unforeseen side effects become evident. Then the class actions will start.


19 posted on 07/13/2004 7:21:25 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Proud Bush-Cheney04 volunteer)
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To: LizardQueen

I have read in many sources (not AMA approved, of course) that eating a good amount of garlic on a regular basis lowers cholesterol. Worth a try, only side effect is sunny smell and sometimes you feel a bit hot eating it especially raw. It's good in salad dressing or as garlic bread!


20 posted on 07/13/2004 7:25:54 AM PDT by little jeremiah ("You're possibly the most ignorant, belligerent, and loathesome poster on FR currently." - tdadams)
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