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Ron Reagan Shocker: Stem Cells WON'T Cure Alzheimer's
NewsMax .com ^ | 7/13/04 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 07/13/2004 8:12:11 AM PDT by kattracks

Ron Reagan, Jr., admitted Monday night that embryonic stem cell research will probably be absolutely useless in the quest to find a cure for Alzheimer's disease - throwing cold water on the big media's campaign to sell the controversial science as medically effective in battling the affliction that killed Reagan's father.

"Alzheimer‘s is a disease, ironically, that probably won‘t be amenable to treatment through stem cell therapies," Reagan told MSBC's Chris Matthews. So why have he and his mother, former first lady Nancy Reagan, made stem cell research their cause celeb?

"For people to suggest that [Nancy Reagan] shouldn’t support this because it isn’t Alzheimer's . . that’s very small," a defensive-sounding Reagan responded.

He says he still backs the campaign for embryonic stem cell research because it might cure other diseases such as Parkinson's and diabetes.

But Reagan became the nation's foremost spokesman for stem cell research largely based on the notion that it might have saved the beloved fortieth president, something he now acknowledges isn't true.

The revelation could prove particularly embarrassing for the national press, which has printed hundreds of stories in recent days touting stem cell science as a cure for Alzheimer's.

Tuesday morning's New York Times report was typical:

"Scientists theorize that the cells, which give rise to all other cells and tissues in the body, could yield treatments for Parkinson's disease, diabetes and, perhaps, Alzheimer's disease, which former President Reagan had."

Monday night NBC's Kelly O'Donnell noted that, "John Kerry believes the work could lead to new cures for diseases like Alzheimer's."

But now that Mr. Reagan has contradicted the top Democrat, it's not clear whether Sen. Kerry will publicly acknowledge he and Reagan are at odds over the potential for stem cell research as a cure for Alzheimer's when Reagan addresses the Democratic convention at the end of this month.



TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alzheimers; alzheimersdisease; alzheimersresearch; prescottisnotajunior; ronreagan; ronreaganjr; stemcells
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1 posted on 07/13/2004 8:12:13 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks

Well, well. Look who just caught up. Did Ronny finally do a little research?


2 posted on 07/13/2004 8:13:58 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Monthly Donors NEVER need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: kattracks
But now that Mr. Reagan has contradicted the top Democrat, it's not clear whether Sen. Kerry will publicly acknowledge he and Reagan are at odds over the potential for stem cell research as a cure for Alzheimer's when Reagan addresses the Democratic convention at the end of this month.

Forget Alzheimers. Twinkle toes appearance at the Dim convention has one purpose only, and, although it will be mentioned, it has absolutely nothing to do with stem cell research.

3 posted on 07/13/2004 8:15:55 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
"Alzheimer‘s is a disease, ironically, that probably won‘t be amenable to treatment through stem cell therapies,"

Everything is ironic.

Thanks Alanis Morissette.

4 posted on 07/13/2004 8:20:27 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: kattracks
Little Ronnie is a tippie-toed tutu wearin' tarantula. The feigned surprise yesterday from the blathering idiots that he was speaking at the RAT convention was laughable. Why does PMSNBC continue to retain him on their payroll when he is obviously a RAT operative?
5 posted on 07/13/2004 8:21:05 AM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (John/John: The Will and Jack of politics, minus the Grace.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Absolutely not. He's a "I don't believe in GOD", anything for a few minutes of face time stupid dumocrat.


6 posted on 07/13/2004 8:22:18 AM PDT by marty60
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To: SandyInSeattle
Well, well. Look who just caught up. Did Ronny finally do a little research?



He's tooo stupid to do so. He was told by somebody else!!!
7 posted on 07/13/2004 8:23:15 AM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco

I'm shocked he admitted it. Usually when liberals get a piece of truth that doesn't fit their agenda they keep it to themselves.


8 posted on 07/13/2004 8:24:16 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Monthly Donors NEVER need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: SandyInSeattle
The other interesting aspect of this is that the press keeps saying that the Bush Admin doesn't fund Stem Cell Research. I believe it "didn't" fund the research to the tune of 250M$ THIS YEAR.

What little research I have done indicates that adult stem-cell research is more promising then embryonic; that we have 60 genetically diverse lines of embryonic stem cells to perform research on and that we won't fund the development of new embryonic lines.

As with everything else in the media, we always get the half baked story.
9 posted on 07/13/2004 8:25:27 AM PDT by dnmore
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To: kattracks

"So why have he and his mother, former first lady Nancy Reagan, made stem cell research their cause celeb? "

Two words: Patti Davis.

The compulsion of former President Reagan's children to disrespect him while he was in office, and after he left office, is only surpassed by what they are planning to do now that he has passed away.

Its "mommie dearest" without the rationale.


10 posted on 07/13/2004 8:25:40 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: kattracks

It will backfire. People will be talking not about Kerry, but about Ronald Reagan and what he would have said.


11 posted on 07/13/2004 8:27:29 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: dnmore
As with everything else in the media, we always get the half baked story.

That's what infuriates me. The top-of-the-hour news was covering this subject yesterday, and the guy clearly said that Bush was "blocking stem cell research". This caused me to turn around and yell "Liar!" at my radio, which was quite a shock to one of our managers who had just walked in to use the copier.

12 posted on 07/13/2004 8:28:06 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Monthly Donors NEVER need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: The Old Hoosier
Exactly. Everybody would ignore Ron P. and Kerry and focus more on Ronald W.

But I would guess Ron Reagan will be buried in the schedule. All they want is some counter to Zell: A "Reagan" spoke at our convention.

13 posted on 07/13/2004 8:29:22 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude
But I would guess Ron Reagan will be buried in the schedule.

Nope, they're giving him primetime.

14 posted on 07/13/2004 8:32:32 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: dead
Everything is ironic. Thanks Alanis Morissette.

Doesn't that drive you nuts?

15 posted on 07/13/2004 8:33:17 AM PDT by Mr. Bird (Ain't the beer cold!)
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To: AmishDude

And they only get three hours of primetime coverage.


16 posted on 07/13/2004 8:33:47 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: The Old Hoosier
Do you have a link to the schedule? I thought I saw it floating.

I really can't believe they're putting this dim bulb in primetime.

But I guess it doesn't surprise me, these people are inhaling spite these days.

17 posted on 07/13/2004 8:34:00 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Purdue Pete

PING!

Here's the link to the recent Washington Post article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29561-2004Jun9.html


18 posted on 07/13/2004 8:44:27 AM PDT by lucyblue
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To: dnmore
The issue with Alzheimer's disease is that any stem-cell treatment will be utterly ineffective in treating it. The problem is that Alzheimer's is what is called a "whole brain" disease as opposed to a "brain cell" disease -- so any treatment dealing with individual cells won't do a damn thing.
19 posted on 07/13/2004 8:45:56 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: AmishDude

Here 'ya go.... (I googled & this was the first one I found)

http://www.patriotsforbush.com/archives/000279.html


20 posted on 07/13/2004 8:51:33 AM PDT by lucyblue
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To: kattracks

RonBOY the RINO... Reagan in name ONLY!!!
21 posted on 07/13/2004 8:54:29 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: AmishDude

Here's all they have so far at dems2004.org:

http://www.dems2004.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=luI2LaPYG&b=93006&ct=142436


22 posted on 07/13/2004 8:59:25 AM PDT by lucyblue
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To: kattracks
HE IS NOT A JR!!!!! Why can't the media get this straight!!!!
23 posted on 07/13/2004 9:00:52 AM PDT by 4everontheRight (The Liberal Media - the world's vast left wing conspiracy - GW'04 - Rice'08)
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To: Badeye

I'm not sure I understand your post. Are you suggesting the kids are using their mom? Have they exploited her love for her husband to manipulate her on this issue and try to remake the "Reagan" image in opposition to their father's positions?

I know very little of what Ron P. & Patti have been up to in recent years. Michael's been a self-promoting, exploitative mouthpiece and Mo, who seemed to be the most decent and genuine of the tribe, unfortunately passed on.


24 posted on 07/13/2004 9:06:55 AM PDT by newzjunkey (No more Floridas: Can "W" actually win this thing outright?)
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To: Use It Or Lose It
Why does PMSNBC continue to retain him on their payroll when he is obviously a RAT operative?

Oh, please. It's pretty obvious that's the only basis for his employment. He's just pimping the family name.

Not the first time a gnat followed in the footsteps of a giant, hoping to live off the droppings.
25 posted on 07/13/2004 9:08:57 AM PDT by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: newzjunkey

"I'm not sure I understand your post. Are you suggesting the kids are using their mom? "

Thats exactly what I'm saying.


26 posted on 07/13/2004 9:11:04 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: SandyInSeattle

"I'm shocked he admitted it."

He hasnt learned how to LIE LIKE A LIBERAL yet...


27 posted on 07/13/2004 9:13:40 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack
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To: kattracks
Who gives a "hoot" what Kerry or little Ronnie think? They aren't in medical research last I heard.

If they want to be part of medical research, I think they should volunteer to take the place of a rat.

28 posted on 07/13/2004 9:14:44 AM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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To: SandyInSeattle
The top-of-the-hour news was covering this subject yesterday, and the guy clearly said that Bush was "blocking stem cell research".

An interesting article I found recently:

Origins of the Current Policy

In accordance with the "Dickey Amendment," passed each year since 1995, research involving the destruction of human embryos cannot be funded with taxpayer dollars. This is not Bush's policy; it is the law of the land, passed annually by Congress and signed by both Presidents Clinton and Bush. This law does not ban embryo research, and it does not fund embryo research. It is a policy of public silence.

In 2000, the Clinton administration discovered a loophole that would allow the NIH to provide some federal funding for embryonic-stem-cell research without asking Congress to overturn the Dickey amendment. By law, the government could not fund research "in which" embryos were destroyed. But if the destruction itself were funded privately, the government could offer funds for subsequent research on embryonic-stem-cell lines derived from the destroyed embryos. In other words: A researcher could destroy endless numbers of embryos in his private lab, and then use the fruits of such destruction to get public funding. This would not violate the letter of the law, but surely the spirit.

When he took office in 2001, President Bush put implementation of the Clinton guidelines on hold. He wanted a way to support potentially promising research, but he also did not believe the federal government should create an ongoing incentive for the destruction of human embryos. On August 9, 2001, President Bush announced his new guidelines: federal funding for research using stem-cell lines that existed before the announcement, but not for those created after. In this way, federal money would not act as an incentive for destroying human embryos in the future, but stem cells derived from embryos already destroyed in the past could be used with federal money to explore the basic science.

This was the fundamental bargain of the policy: no limits on embryonic-stem-cell research in the private sector (unlike much of the world, which regulates this practice), but no public subsidies to encourage a limitless industry of embryo destruction.

National Review

29 posted on 07/13/2004 9:16:26 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

Thank you for that. I wish the media would put it out there.


30 posted on 07/13/2004 9:32:14 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Monthly Donors NEVER need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: 4everontheRight
HE IS NOT A JR!!!!! Why can't the media get this straight!!!!

This crowd still hasn't figured out that President Bush isn't a "Jr".

31 posted on 07/13/2004 9:33:51 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Monthly Donors NEVER need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: SandyInSeattle

Well of course it's no good for Alzheimers, but at least stem cell jam is tasty on crackers, right?


32 posted on 07/13/2004 9:43:31 AM PDT by anonymous_user (<a href="http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com" target="_blank">Michael Moore</a>)
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To: kattracks

President Reagan lived to be 93 years old, which is considerably longer than the current average lifespan in America. Granted, the last ten years of his life were far from quality years, but even if a cure for Alzheimer's had been discovered, I'm not sure how much longer the family could reasonably have expected the guy to live.


33 posted on 07/13/2004 9:46:40 AM PDT by jpl ("America's greatest chapter is still to be written, for the best is yet to come." - Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: jpl
even if a cure for Alzheimer's had been discovered, I'm not sure how much longer the family could reasonably have expected the guy to live.

However much longer that would have been, he would have been tearing into junior's politics, philosophy and religion.

34 posted on 07/13/2004 10:06:38 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr

Just a side note : I was surprised this morning on the Imus Show, to hear Orin Hatch (Mormon) state that after a year of research, he has decided to vote FOR Embryonic Stem Cell Research. Hmmmmmmmm.


35 posted on 07/13/2004 10:15:47 AM PDT by Neenah (..Don't make me get the flying monkeys!)
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To: lucyblue
I don't see Ron Reagan anywhere. The primetime speakers are:
Mon: Gore, Carter and Clinton
Tue: Heinz-Kerry
Wed: The Edwardses
Thu: Cleland (did you know Kerry was in Vietnam?) and the Heinz and Kerry families.

I don't see room for Ron Reagan in there.

This is going to be such a joke. Half the speakers are vets. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but Kerry should really have more to run on than he got shot at on occasion for 4 months 30 years ago. The not-so-swiftboaters, Retired Marine Lt. Col. Steve Brozak of New Jersey (whoever that is, he's a marine and only a Lt. Col., I am not impressed). Mayor O'Malley of Baltimore will be speaking on Wednesday: "Mayor Martin O'Malley is more worried about President Bush's policies than he is about al-Qaida terrorists, and he's not reluctant to say so."

Two words: Freak Show.

36 posted on 07/13/2004 11:17:03 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Howlin

ping


37 posted on 07/13/2004 11:18:03 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: Neenah
Orrin has become Teddy's evil twin. Happened years ago.

Why he's still in the GOP, I'll never know.

Oh, yeah. Never mind...
38 posted on 07/13/2004 11:20:18 AM PDT by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: AmishDude
Peewee Reagan will probably get about five minutes. The Dims will offer some backhanded tribute to the real Reagan. All of it covered with the usual Dim concern for people. You know, people who need people..

The talking heads will yuck it up.

Write yer own script for this steaming heap. Keep the vomit pail handy.

Is it any wonder the networks are cutting coverage on the conventions? Mindless drivel.
39 posted on 07/13/2004 11:24:43 AM PDT by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: kattracks
Translation - Ronnie is willing to use his dead Dad for advancement of his own personal agenda, regardless of the facts, and regardless of what his Dad would have preferred.

People need to understand why Ronnie is acting like this. One of the Liberals' most favorite tactics is to take the children of great Conservative leaders, and to pump their egos up by accepting them, praising them, and lavishing attention on them when they do things to contradict or embarass their Conservative parents. This story is as old as the Hills.

Ronnie comes out against Conservatives, supports things that his Father would not, and the only reason anyone listens to him at all is because of who his Father was. Totally and completely pathetic.
40 posted on 07/13/2004 11:27:54 AM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: AmishDude; maica
Mayor O'Malley of Baltimore will be speaking on Wednesday: "Mayor Martin O'Malley is more worried about President Bush's policies than he is about al-Qaida terrorists, and he's not reluctant to say so."

What a line-up! What, no Kennedy's?

41 posted on 07/13/2004 11:36:01 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: kattracks
When they say stem cell research, what they mean is embryonic stem cell research. IOW, a scheme to bring more money to the Dims' fav special interest group, abortionists.

Follow the money.

42 posted on 07/13/2004 11:36:54 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Freee-dame

Yeah, Teddy's on the dais. But why would you have a guy like O'Malley who is certifiable and is only known for being nutty?


43 posted on 07/13/2004 11:37:32 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: George W. Bush
Is there a doctor in the house? There's something I don't understand in this whole stem cell debate issue. Let me explain.

Just over four years ago, my wife gave birth to a healthy baby boy, our son Benjie. Prior to birth, we took all the standard classes and were naturally introduced to a number of products and services - including the cryogenic storage of stem cells from the blood collected from the umbilical cord and other matter. The motivation for doing this is to have a source of stem cells for Benjie and Mom (from my understanding it can't help dad as much) in the event of the onset of a variety of ills including certain types of cancer (not to mention what may be able to be done with the cells as medical science progresses). Since 2000, Benjie's stem cells have been in cold storage in Florida and available for use (The service also advertises that the cells can be donated for research and other uses).

So why is it necessary to use stem cells only from fetal tissue? What is the difference? Isn't a stem cell a stem cell? Is this issue more to do with abortion (justification) than medical science? Doesn't it also mean the more births we have, the more stem cells that would be available for research and treatment - without using aborted fetuses?

44 posted on 07/13/2004 11:39:24 AM PDT by 103198
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To: 103198

This is not a scientific answer, but I played a nurse once!

We all start from 2 cells, which have the information to become the gazillion-celled persons that we are.

Embryonic stem cells are much closer to the original 2, so are much less differentiated than even the stem cells found in your baby's umbilical cord blood (after nine whole months of specialized growth.) Those cells are much more 'controllable' in a lab setting than the original 2 or 2 week-old cells.


45 posted on 07/13/2004 12:06:46 PM PDT by maica (Hitlary says; "We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good"...)
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To: maica
Thank for the clarification - but I've got some follow-up questions if you don't mind.

When is a stem cell an embryonic stem cell and not a mature (?) stem cell like found in the cord blood? Is it based on time from conception or some other factor?

Thanks,

Ben

46 posted on 07/13/2004 12:13:28 PM PDT by 103198
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To: 103198
So why is it necessary to use stem cells only from fetal tissue? What is the difference? Isn't a stem cell a stem cell?

The earlier a stem cell is harvested in embryonic development, the more 'generic' it is. It can turn into quite a number of different tissue types. So these are the 'magic' stem cells for research. Supposedly.

The stem cells you have stored from your son are still okay but mostly just for him and your wife.

And supposedly, the least desirable stem cells are adult stem cells that are more directed toward developing toward only specific tissue types.

At any rate, that's how I've understood it. The argument is made that the early embyronic cells are so flexible that they're the best. But in my reading, the only times they've made breakthroughs of any kind are with the later types of stem cells. Go figure.

Sometimes I think the Dims just really like dead babies. Almost an intrinsic personality trait.

We conservative types, however, love their fat little faces and dopey expressions and smelly yellow poop.

Sometimes when some Dim is ranting on and on about 'the children', I'd like someone to ask whose children they're talking about since they're murdered most of their own.
47 posted on 07/13/2004 12:14:42 PM PDT by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: 103198
From the Merriam-webster Dictionary

Main Entry: em·bryo
Pronunciation: 'em-brE-"O
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural em·bry·os
Etymology: Medieval Latin embryon-, embryo, from Greek embryon, from en- + bryein to swell; akin to Greek bryon catkin
1 a archaic : a vertebrate at any stage of development prior to birth or hatching b : an animal in the early stages of growth and differentiation that are characterized by cleavage, the laying down of fundamental tissues, and the formation of primitive organs and organ systems; especially : the developing human individual from the time of implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception

The bold definition is the common medical usage.

It is possible for identical twins to be born if the original 1 egg and 1sperm join and then separate into 2 forming embryos. Siamese twins occur when this separation is not complete. A further disfunction of the original embryo can happen when a few of the first cell-divisions does not become a second human but a tumor of different kinds of cells called a teratoma) inside the 1 developing baby. All of these biological facts lead me to believe that the closer a cell is to the fertilization stage, the less differentiation it has - the more potential it has to become anything - so more in the realm of God's work than man's.

48 posted on 07/13/2004 12:35:58 PM PDT by maica (Hitlary says; "We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good"...)
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To: kattracks; afraidfortherepublic; AlbionGirl; anniegetyourgun; Aquinasfan; Archangelsk; A-teamMom; ..

Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping...

apologies to those who made it here before me.


49 posted on 07/13/2004 11:43:44 PM PDT by cgk (3000+ 9/11. Pearl, Fallujah, Berg, Jacobs, Scroggs, Johnson, Sun-il, Maupin Never forget Never Again)
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To: kattracks
their cause celeb

NewsMax is apparently boycotting the correct spelling of French words until Chirac joins the Coalition.

50 posted on 07/13/2004 11:47:50 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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