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The late William Shirer (he wrote the "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and was a reporter in Germany just prior to WWII) recounted how he would talk to a "seemingly well educated German" about events in the outside world, based on articles he read in papers that were not generally available to ordinary Germans. The German he would be speaking to only had access to state controlled news, and would look at Mr. Shirer like he had just dropped in from another planet. At this point, Mr. Shirer says he would just shut up and walk away.

William Shirer also talks about how one cannot understand how much of an impression the constant misinformation makes on you until you lived in a totalitarian society.

I always remember this in regards to what the MSM spews forth. Doesn't matter what media outlet, they all lead off with the same intellectually dishonest swill.

In fact, if you check almost all papers, you will see most of the articles they print come from either AP or the NY Times.

Which brings me to your problem. It sounds as if you've already encountered a version of what I mention. I'm not sure you can do much but avoid political discusion.

Remember, there is none so blind as those who will not see.

"I always remember this in regards to what the MSM spews forth. Doesn't matter what
media outlet, they all lead off with the same intellectually dishonest swill. "

Part of the reason for that is that many media/news outlets either subscribe to the New York
Times news service or quotes from their headline (e.g., Katie Couric does it often).

Here's a book about the topic:

Journalistic Fraud: How The New York Times Distorts the News and Why It Can No
Longer Be Trusted
by Bob Kohn

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0785261044/qid=1089929506/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7575395-6995368?v=glance&s=books

The late William Shirer (he wrote the "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and was a reporter in Germany just prior to WWII) recounted how he would talk to a "seemingly well educated German" about events in the outside world, based on articles he read in papers that were not generally available to ordinary Germans. The German he would be speaking to only had access to state controlled news, and would look at Mr. Shirer like he had just dropped in from another planet.

Stylin, I think you hit the nail on the head. Both my FIL and his brother are really smart, each hold several patents!! How else can those who are so smart be so gullable??

15 - "William Shirer also talks about how one cannot understand how much of an impression the constant misinformation makes on you until you lived in a totalitarian society. "

This is exactly why we will have such trouble winning the war against terrorism, as there is no 'free' media in the mid-east, and it is basically all a continual anti-western anti-christian/jew stream of propaganda.

To win the war, we need a cultural change. It won't be a military victory, unless opposition is crushed and replaced, by the 'generations' exposed to new pro-western propaganda.