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8 years later, TWA 800 case just heating up!
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, July 16, 2004 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 07/16/2004 4:53:39 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/16/2004 4:55:29 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Non-Sequitur

Not at all, it just keeps you from knowing which one of the multiple state sponsored terrorist groups to counter attack.

Kind of like the terrorists that wear masks. You know you've been hit and terrorized but you don't know where he lives.


81 posted on 07/16/2004 7:57:11 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: muawiyah

What does happen circa July 17 or 18 every year is that the Earth travels through the ancient debris trail of a comet. Rocks fall in seeming to travel from East to West. The first rocks have a very flat trajectory and actually appear to streak UP from the horizon.



This gets the award for creative post of the day. Of course, of the 43 listed meteor showers, there are none with a peak within less than 10 days from the event. And a plane getting hit by a meteor large enough to make it blow up, and it the right spot to make it blow up, is among the most improbable events imaginable. A faulty fuel tank or stinger missle are infinitely more probable.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/meteors/shower_list.html


82 posted on 07/16/2004 7:58:34 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Cold Heart
Kind of like the terrorists that wear masks. You know you've been hit and terrorized but you don't know where he lives.

Those mask-wearing terrortists still had no problem giving out the name of their group.

83 posted on 07/16/2004 8:00:05 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: mcshot

When Kahlstrom first faced the media, he mentioned that terrorism was possible. Later, when he did the center fuel tank commedy routine, his expression said that he did not believe a word of it.

This is my theory. They all knew what did it - a terrorist missile or maybe a bomb. They thought it would wreck tourism and air travel to admit the truth. I think the same scenario was true when the jet crashed in NY after 9/11. Soon after the mad shoe bomber was caught trying, and we have been scanning shoes ever since.

Clinton liked disasters. They helped him in the eyes of the public. Oklahoma City was good for him, even rescued his sorry behind. I am inclined to believe the Clintons were way too close to the source of these events, as shown by their relationship to Chinese spycraft.


84 posted on 07/16/2004 8:03:05 AM PDT by sine_nomine (Protect the weakest of the weak - the unborn babies.)
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To: ninenot
Correct. An explosion from "fumes" has to occur when the 'fume/air' mix is precisely X (I don't know what it is for kerosene fumes.)

Another certainty is that fuel leaking, or falling in mass for that matter, from an airliner moving at climbing speeds would not form a tight line that would look like the trail of a rocket if ignited. More Richard Clarke BS!

Clarke, however, has had a hard time keeping his story straight. In an earlier New Yorker article on O'Neill soon after Sept. 11, Clarke tells reporter Lawrence Wright that it was O'Neill who insisted that TWA Flight 800 was out of the range of the Stinger, and O'Neill who believed that the "ascending flare" that the witnesses saw must have been something else, like "the ignition of leaking fuel from the aircraft."

Clarke lies whenever possible. Clarke was/is Sick Willy's boy.

85 posted on 07/16/2004 8:06:59 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: Beelzebubba
Peak?

All it takes is the first rock if it's properly aimed.

On the other hand, we do have an evening "peak" international departure window occuring in that area at the time of the event, so that changes the probabilities considerably.

The Peak of Perseids will happen in August this year. At the same time the EARLIEST Perseids will be visible in MID JULY. Check out the perseid drift map at this site: http://skytour.homestead.com/met2004.html

Astronimically and geograpically speaking, this story has a great deal of bearing on the probabilities of meteors "doing stuff": ".... remember one of these spectacular meteors on a Friday night in October 1992. A brilliant greenish meteor traveled slowly across the sky in front me and astonished fans at a Westover High School football game. The meteor was a primetime event all along the East Coast since many other Friday night football fans caught a “falling star,” too. The meteor would become a meteorite seconds later, so called because wasn’t consumed by our atmosphere, it fell to Earth. Actually, it fell on the back of a 1972 Chevrolet Nova in Peekskill, N.Y. It pretty much totaled the car, which was parked in a driveway. (SEE: http://www.fayettevillenc.com/special/backyard/98as2607.htm )

86 posted on 07/16/2004 8:12:05 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Vigilantcitizen
Rudolph was a cop killer. He'd blow up a crowd at the Olympics, or an abortion mill to attract the attention of the police, or maybe to kill one on the scene already.

In fact, when he blew up that abortion mill in Atlanta, the cops came, gathered around, started eating doughnuts, and then A SECOND BOMB went off right there where they were gathered. But for the steel dumpster in the way he could have killed a lot of them.

Rudolph may or may not have opinions regarding abortion ~ he most definitely has opinions about cops.

87 posted on 07/16/2004 8:14:53 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ninenot

Link?


88 posted on 07/16/2004 8:26:35 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: Red Badger
"I, for one, have NEVER believed the "center fuel tank exploding" scenario"

Me either. It is BS. Technically impossible. A jet burns essentially diesel fuel and the vapors are not volatile without a LOT of heat and if the tanks in a jet ever got that hot planes would be blowing up every day. Try it! Use the burner from your turkey fryer and an old pot. Start with the diesel cold and toss in a match. Match will go out or float on the top and act like a wick. The pot of diesel will not ignite. Next, heat it up slowly tossing in matches every few minutes. No fire until the diesel is literally smoking from the heat. Measure temperature once you are able to set the liquid OR its vapors alight and you too will know that the exploding fuel tank is 100% BS.

The explosive characteristics described for the jet fuel are borrowed from GASOLINE and do not exist for jet fuel except under the right conditions. And those conditions will never be attained in an aircraft fuel tank unless the rest of the plane is already on fire.

89 posted on 07/16/2004 8:30:21 AM PDT by EUPHORIC (Right? Left? Read Ecclesiastes 10:2 for a definition. The Bible knows all about it!)
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To: muawiyah
If Rudolph's MO was hatred of cops, why bomb 2 abortion clinics and a lesbian nightclub?

If that was the case, why not bomb police precincts?

At the time of the olympic park bombing, Rudolph's face had been plastered on tv all over the country. Would he be stupid enough to show his face in Atlanta during the olympics, when we had more cops per square mile than anywhere in the world?

Sorry, that dog don't hunt.

90 posted on 07/16/2004 8:30:24 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Non-Sequitur
So how did the Clinton administration cover up for terrorists?

By directing the FBI to discredit and ignore the reports of over 800 eyewitnesses, and by directing the NTSB to fabricate the story of a magic spontaneously exploding center fuel tank.

If such an explosion were possible, why has it only happened once in the history of aviation?

91 posted on 07/16/2004 8:36:18 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: JohnHuang2

My question has always been, WHY did they cover this up? Or OKC? I guess I'm just not a politically-savvy observer. What did the government stand to lose by revealing the truth about TWA800, etc? (I joined FR too late to get in on the meatiest discussions...)


92 posted on 07/16/2004 8:37:48 AM PDT by redhead (Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?)
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To: pctech
"My question about all this is stuff is this: Can a stinger missile reach 13,500 feet? or even 18,000 feet?"

Later versions of the stinger can exceed 26000 feet. Spokesholes for FBI and FAA lied when they said a stinger could not have done it since they only reached 8000 feet. Either that or they are VERY stupid - 800 meters = 26000 feet...

http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/stinger.htm

93 posted on 07/16/2004 8:40:06 AM PDT by EUPHORIC (Right? Left? Read Ecclesiastes 10:2 for a definition. The Bible knows all about it!)
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To: Homer1

In fact, it is my understanding that nobody has publicly claimed credit for 9/11.


94 posted on 07/16/2004 8:40:36 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: jwpjr
"This was not an accidental shoot down. The crew of the navy ship that fired on the aircraft intended to bring it down and was very accurate and efficient in the accomplishment of that mission. The airliner refused to identify itself, would not activate it IFF system, flew directly at the navy ship at a higher than normal rate of speed and did so at at time when several surface vessels were harassing the ship. The crew of the ship had but a minute or so to make a decision as to the intentions of the approaching aircraft."

To this day, I am convinced that that airline had a CARGO of corpses. We already know what small value the terrorists put on human lives. Why not herd a bunch of people onto a plane, gas them all, take off, and deliberately fly in a provocative manner directy at a U.S. warship?

95 posted on 07/16/2004 8:43:47 AM PDT by redhead (Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
By directing the FBI to discredit and ignore the reports of over 800 eyewitnesses, and by directing the NTSB to fabricate the story of a magic spontaneously exploding center fuel tank.

And the fact that no terrorists have claimed responsibility for downing the plane? Did the administration arrange that, too?

96 posted on 07/16/2004 8:45:45 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

I thought they tried to pin this on Eric Rudolph, but I may be mistaken.


97 posted on 07/16/2004 8:52:40 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways)
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To: Non-Sequitur
And the fact that no terrorists have claimed responsibility for downing the plane? Did the administration arrange that, too?

The kneepad press would have done anything Xlinton asked.

98 posted on 07/16/2004 8:55:55 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: EUPHORIC

What are you talking about? Your link lists the operational ceiling as 12,500 ft.


99 posted on 07/16/2004 8:56:23 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christianity, if false, is unimportant and, if true, of infinite importance. - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Vigilantcitizen
"Who has claimed responsibility for 9-11?"

Some dude named Osama something or rather who who looks like a dark skinned John Kerry with a beard and a weeks supply of diapers wrapped around his head.

100 posted on 07/16/2004 9:11:48 AM PDT by EUPHORIC (Right? Left? Read Ecclesiastes 10:2 for a definition. The Bible knows all about it!)
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