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Soldiers For Hire
The History Channel ^ | July 18, 2004

Posted on 07/18/2004 7:57:12 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4

Once called mercenaries, highly trained killers have offered their deadly services for a price--from ancient Rome to the War on Terror. Today, they've marched from the back pages of "Soldier of Fortune" to form vast corporations with the power of the most advanced militaries. The payday for these private soldiers has reached $100-billion annually! Unregulated by governing forces, they wage war for those who can afford it. Find out if they are the future of conflict resolution in our 2-hour special.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: africa; contractors; kbr; mercenaries; pmc; pmcs
Pretty impressive show about Private Military Companies, focusing on Executive Outcomes, also mentioning MPRI and KBR. I thought I had been paying attention but I learned some things I had never known before about Executive Outcome's operations in Angola and Sierrra Leone. Pretty even-handed treatment of the subject, I thought. Comes on again at midnight Eastern according to my cable system menu guide.
1 posted on 07/18/2004 7:57:13 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Just remember... once ya weed out the the "summer soldiers", Americans kick Hessian Ass!


2 posted on 07/18/2004 8:01:41 PM PDT by bikepacker67
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Peter W. Singer

He was the primary talking head on this show.

3 posted on 07/18/2004 8:02:52 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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William Shawcross is an internationally renowned writer and broadcaster, and another talking head on this program.

4 posted on 07/18/2004 8:05:36 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Excellent show. Glad I recorded it.

The segment on Sierra Leone was most instructive. Just another instance of UN/Clinton incompetence.

5 posted on 07/18/2004 8:05:57 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

BTTT


6 posted on 07/18/2004 8:06:06 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
oh yeah...its still a growth bidness.

viv le mort...viv le guerre...viv le sacre; mercenaire....and all that other hub bub rubbish. Bidness has always been good in Africa. As industrial guards and as trainers for security forces for large industrial corporations.

Executive security has been growing due to political instability and the use of kidnapping as fund raising for just about every wahoo group coming down the pike. Executive security is a bit more than just trigger pullers so it attracts a slightly different group. Classes in etiquette and proper attire are de rigueur. A good tailor can adjust that suit to give just a scooch more room under the arm and in the rear waist.

7 posted on 07/18/2004 8:10:30 PM PDT by Khurkris (Proud Scottish/HillBilly - We perfected "The Art of the Grudge")
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
I walked on a second interview with EO in '94..
A then-promising LEO career seemed like a better idea.
The interview team was very business-like and not at all like the crap you see in the movies.
Assignment and salary options were part of the second visit but I got the feeling that there would be no BS and the more bullets in the air the more gold in the purse.
I wonder sometimes...

Then I look at my wife and child.
8 posted on 07/18/2004 8:20:41 PM PDT by cavtrooper21 (I don't visit Free Republic, I live here.)
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To: Khurkris

Do you get the History Channel in Taiwan?


9 posted on 07/18/2004 8:22:07 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Interesting program.


10 posted on 07/18/2004 8:23:10 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

You know there was a time when countries didn't have standing armies and relied on mercenaries. Maybe it is swinging back that way.

Wished I could see this documentary.


11 posted on 07/18/2004 8:27:41 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: af_vet_rr; ALOHA RONNIE; American in Israel; American Soldier; archy; armymarinemom; BCR #226; ...

ping


12 posted on 07/18/2004 8:29:59 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Missed it .. did they mention "Mad" Mike Hoare of Congo fame ? Not sure if he's still alive.


13 posted on 07/18/2004 8:30:46 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Mercenaries seem to come and go in cycles. Anyone remember Bob Denard and his British mercenaries who fought over in the Congo back in the 70's?


14 posted on 07/18/2004 8:32:49 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

I missed the first half hour. Thanks for the ping!


15 posted on 07/18/2004 8:34:13 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: 1066AD

Yes he was mentioned at the beginning as one of the first soldiers for hire. Had a picture of him with some others. Didn't say if he was still alive.


16 posted on 07/18/2004 8:34:40 PM PDT by Newtoidaho
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To: cavtrooper21

That Lafras Luitingh guy from EO impressed me. He seemed like a link between the old Congo 5 Commando mercs and the modern corporate Private Military Company problem solver.


17 posted on 07/18/2004 8:35:20 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: 1066AD

They mentioned him briefly and showed his picture. Most of the show portraying the 1960's had footage of Portugese and African troops and Belgian paras instead of 5 Commando.


18 posted on 07/18/2004 8:37:55 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Zeroisanumber

Bob Denard

19 posted on 07/18/2004 8:43:05 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

bttfl


20 posted on 07/18/2004 8:47:06 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: 1066AD
I believe he is, but after a stint in prison and the fact that he is, after all, a class A1 self promoter I would think that even the most desperate talking head would think long and hard before looking to him for any views on mercenary work.
I have 3 bros from the Army who work private sector so I hear about some stuff that doesn't make news.
It's creepy, some of the contracts these guys take, but the pay is good and all three agree that the job satisfaction is better than the Army ever was. No definite amounts, specific dates or locations are EVER mentioned publicly but they have worked in places that surprised me and for people that I would never have expected to hire mercs.
One of them was back from Iraq last month and when I asked him just how bad it is over there he replied with the comment:
"Keep your head on a swivel, trust nobody but the guys from your company and keep your kit strait and you'll be OK."
"Get sloppy and you can bet your a-- somebody with bomb or a RPG will let you know about it."
Gee, sounded like a fun way earn a living....
21 posted on 07/18/2004 8:51:09 PM PDT by cavtrooper21 (I don't visit Free Republic, I live here.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
I didn't catch the whole thing but I'd swear he had a Afrikaner accent. I got the feeling when I interviewed that there were a number of SA, old Rhodesian and Namibian troopers working for them.
...and not many Americans.
22 posted on 07/18/2004 8:56:27 PM PDT by cavtrooper21 (I don't visit Free Republic, I live here.)
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To: 1066AD
Mike Hoare
23 posted on 07/18/2004 8:57:26 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Zeroisanumber; 1066AD

Can't find any obituaries on Mike Hoare or Bob Denard. Hoare would be 84 now, Denard a few years younger I think.


24 posted on 07/18/2004 9:13:45 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: cavtrooper21
I believe the vast majority of white EO people came from 32 Battalion
25 posted on 07/18/2004 9:17:45 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Wow.
They were quite a bunch.
I'll have to do some reading up on wars in Africa in this century. I sort of lost interest after the Boer War....


26 posted on 07/18/2004 9:26:52 PM PDT by cavtrooper21 (I don't visit Free Republic, I live here.)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

27 posted on 07/18/2004 9:31:14 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

One crazy bunch. I'd love to sit in on one of of their drinking sessions just to here the "No shit, there I was..."


28 posted on 07/18/2004 9:37:02 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: cavtrooper21
The Selous Scouts

Rhodesian Light Infantry

Grey's Scouts


29 posted on 07/18/2004 10:03:09 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Sola Veritas

17,000 Blue Berets couldn't do what a hundred EO operators did to the RUF.


30 posted on 07/18/2004 10:07:17 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Thanks for the ping. Caught part of the show. Interesting work if you're cut out for it.


31 posted on 07/18/2004 10:42:10 PM PDT by SAMWolf (The dentist said my wisdom teeth were retarded.)
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To: SAMWolf

Ties in to our privateer discussion.


32 posted on 07/18/2004 10:50:35 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: SAMWolf
I just got done watching this it's probably the best documentary I've seen on the subject.And it's pretty fair although some of the commentators may have a liberal slant it was quite obvious that the UN and the Clinton administration were largely responsible for the current mess that is Africa.
33 posted on 07/18/2004 10:56:07 PM PDT by edchambers (Where are we going and why am I in this hand-basket?)
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To: Sola Veritas
The reportage was very good, and left me with the impression that EO could - with it's under-the-radar profile - could accomplish a lot more than a national army.

Thanks to the networks' body-counting, agencies and governments will probably be relying more and more on these "contractors".

34 posted on 07/18/2004 11:26:39 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Bump to read later.


35 posted on 07/18/2004 11:35:17 PM PDT by Air Assault (Got Jesus?)
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To: Zeroisanumber
Saving the Sum of Things for Pay: Executive Outcomes in Sierra Leone
36 posted on 07/18/2004 11:47:01 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Private enterprise is always good. ;-)


37 posted on 07/18/2004 11:47:29 PM PDT by SAMWolf (The dentist said my wisdom teeth were retarded.)
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To: edchambers

Has the UN ever not made a mess of things?


38 posted on 07/18/2004 11:49:18 PM PDT by SAMWolf (The dentist said my wisdom teeth were retarded.)
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EPITAPH ON AN ARMY OF MERCENARIES

by A. E. Houseman, 1914

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These, in the day when heaven was falling,

The hour when earth's foundations fled,

Followed their mercenary calling

And took their wages and are dead.

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Their shoulders held the sky suspended;

They stood, and earth's foundations stay;

What God abandoned, these defended,

And saved the sum of things for pay.

39 posted on 07/18/2004 11:55:05 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner
by Warren Zevon

Roand was a warrior from the Land of the Midnight Sun
With a Thompson gun for hire, fighting to be done
The deal was made in Denmark on a dark and stormy day
So he set out for Biafra to join the bloody fray

Through sixty-six and seven they fought the Congo war
Fingers on their triggers, knee-deep in gore
For days and nights they battled the Bantu to their knees
They killed to earn their living and to help out the Congolese

Roland the Thompson gunner...
Roland the Thompson gunner...

His comrades fought beside him - Van Owen and the rest
But of all the Thompson gunners Roland was the best
So the CIA decided they wanted Roland dead
That son-of-a-bitch Van Owen blew off Roland's head


Chorus:

Roland the headless Thompson gunner
Roland the headless Thompson gunner
(Time, time, time
For another peaceful war
Norway's bravest son
But time stands still for Roland
'Til he evens up the score)

They can still see his headless body stalking through the night
In the muzzle flash of Roland's Thompson gun
In the muzzle flash of Roland's Thompson gun

Roland searched the continent for the man who'd done him in
He found him in Mombassa in a barroom drinking gin
Roland aimed his Thompson gun - he didn't say a word
But he blew Van Owen's body from there to Johannesburg

Roland the headless Thompson gunner...
Roland the headless Thompson gunner...
Roland the headless Thompson gunner...
The eternal Thompson gunner, still wandering through the night

Now it's ten years later but he still keeps up the fight
In Ireland, in Lebanon, in Palestine and Berkeley
Patty Hearst heard the burst of Roland's Thompson gun
And bought it


40 posted on 07/18/2004 11:59:30 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Terrorist attacks ain't caused by the use of strength. They're invited by the perception of weakness)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
No I don't. My cable here gets, in english - CNN outta Hong Kong, Knowledge channel, Discovery, National Geo., HBO, Star Movies, Cinemax and one or 2 others in english. And of course 30-40 in Chinese.

But no History channel, which was one of my most watched in s. cali. And no Comedy Central or Fox channel, news or otherwise. So no King of the Hill.

41 posted on 07/19/2004 12:26:30 AM PDT by Khurkris (Proud Scottish/HillBilly - We perfected "The Art of the Grudge")
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
I too watched it last night and was very impressed. When it comes to the UN “peacekeeping missions” I have only one comment.


42 posted on 07/19/2004 3:52:35 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Khurkris

Hardship tour. Not quite as bad as Armed Forces Network Korea before they got their satellite feed.


43 posted on 07/19/2004 5:30:37 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

I saw this special last evening (Sunday) and it was excellent.


44 posted on 07/19/2004 5:49:31 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm ( Veni Vidi Vino )
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To: Choose Ye This Day; Cannoneer No. 4

You beat me to it. I thought of posting that last night, but didn't have time/got pulled away, and came back to post this AM.

Before 9/11/2001, SoF magazine ran a number of articles, over the course of several months, about EO and the situation in Sierra Leone. Their analysis of the UN bureaucrats was pretty biting, and deservedly so.


45 posted on 07/19/2004 5:52:20 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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To: cavtrooper21

My ex-Brother in Law teachs air mobile tactics in Africa. He's rated for both fixed-wing multi-engine and rotary wing.


46 posted on 07/19/2004 6:23:16 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Thanks for the ping!


47 posted on 07/19/2004 9:00:06 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: struwwelpeter

Like they say, "Armies of nations have to do a lot of things. A Private Army has to do only one thing."

The word FREELANCERS came from the long wars of Europe and the fact that Soldiers all had nothing to do when the war was over and the Soldiers were no longer needed and could not be afforded.

The Greeks had the Spartans.

Egypt used Mercs.

What has always been will always be.


48 posted on 07/19/2004 2:58:02 PM PDT by Michael121 (An old soldier knows truth. Only a Dead Soldier knows peace.)
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To: struwwelpeter
Thanks to the networks' body-counting, agencies and governments will probably be relying more and more on these "contractors".
Or kontraktniki. Depending on the area of operation.
49 posted on 07/22/2004 5:26:48 PM PDT by Wolf_Lochert (He who laughs last thinks slowest.)
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