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Sharon urges exodus of Jews from France
Associated Press via Globe and Mail ^ | 2004-07-18

Posted on 07/18/2004 8:59:18 PM PDT by Clive

Sharon urges exodus of Jews from France Associated Press

Jerusalem - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon on Sunday urged French Jews to flee the country to escape a rising tide of anti-Semitism, while acknowledging that the French government is fighting racial violence.

The latest French Interior Ministry figures show 510 anti-Jewish acts or threats in the first six months of 2004 - compared to 593 for all of last year.

"If I have to advocate to our brothers in France, I will tell them one thing," Mr. Sharon told visiting American Jewish leaders in Jerusalem. "Move to Israel, as early as possible."

Anti-Semitic acts against Jewish schools, synagogues and cemeteries have risen in France in recent years, coinciding with growing tensions in the Middle East. Many attacks have been blamed on young Muslims.

"We see the spread of the wildest anti-Semitism there," Mr. Sharon said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: arielsharon; eurabia; europeanunion; france; frenchjews; israel; judeophobia; muslims

1 posted on 07/18/2004 8:59:19 PM PDT by Clive
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To: MadIvan

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2 posted on 07/18/2004 8:59:36 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive

I am quite confident that French Jews can make up their own minds about this, without Sharon's help.


3 posted on 07/18/2004 9:01:36 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Clive

I say we make a commitment right now that we dont save their cheese eatting asses when the lslamofacist take over.


4 posted on 07/18/2004 9:02:04 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Torie

Of course they can; Ariel's merely laying down the welcome carpet.


5 posted on 07/18/2004 9:03:07 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Walkingfeather

...and how 'bout those French nuclear weapons? :-D


6 posted on 07/18/2004 9:04:27 PM PDT by xrp
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To: Mr. Mojo

Two years ago my daughters were deciding where to take a vacation trip. They almost decided on going with the local university group to France, but then four synagogues were bombed. My daughters have Jewish last names and chose to stay in the U.S. I would not want to be living in France right now if I were Jewish.


7 posted on 07/18/2004 9:05:35 PM PDT by jwalburg (Hatriots for Kerry)
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To: Mr. Mojo
It strikes me as a bit sad, if almost all Jews end up in Britain, Canada, Israel and the US. The planet needs their talents spread more widely, and I will not celebrate the ghettoizing. JMO.
8 posted on 07/18/2004 9:06:40 PM PDT by Torie
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To: jwalburg

I'll bet the Germans are thinking, "Why did we invade the Frogs? All we had to do was wait for sixty years for them to be on our side!"


9 posted on 07/18/2004 9:08:57 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Islam should have stayed in the Dark Ages where it began.)
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To: Torie

Sharon isn't saying they can't make up their own mind. He's just making a public statement of the obvious. Too bad there weren't more such public statements made in the 1930s about living in Germany. Of course, then there was no place to go. The Socialist President of America was actively keeping out Jews and there was no Israel.

Times have changed and the Jews of France are stupid to live in the Islamic hell-hole that "country" is becoming.


10 posted on 07/18/2004 9:10:16 PM PDT by samtheman (www.georgewbush.com)
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To: Torie

So, now the world is not getting it's fair share of Jews; this is a new complaint! :^)


11 posted on 07/18/2004 9:11:53 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: Clive
My gut reaction is that an exodus of Jews from France will that much more embolden the anti-Semites there. Depressing that the struggle is just over; France is now an anti-Semitic state.

I understand Ariel Sharon wanting to be welcoming; on its own merits and because Israel needs a population influx.

12 posted on 07/18/2004 9:13:36 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Torie
It strikes me as a bit sad, if almost all Jews end up in Britain, Canada, Israel and the US. The planet needs their talents spread more widely, and I will not celebrate the ghettoizing. JMO.

Ghettoizing? You call Jews living (almost exclusively) in the U.S., Israel, Canada, and Britain ghettoizing? That's a mighty large ghetto, Torie. .....And a mighty fine one. And anyway, they're just not welcome in many of the nations you'd like to them to disperse to. I see no problem with the greatest nation on earth (US) having a virtual monopoly on their talents. In fact, I welcome it heartily.

13 posted on 07/18/2004 9:13:54 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: samtheman
The Socialist President of America was actively keeping out Jews

Putting aside the rhetoric about FDR, it was indeed shameful that America did not welcome the oppressed and endangered Jews threatened by the dark Fascist menace, as it had in the past, and did in the future. It cannot be defended or justified. It was wrong, and a shameful episode in American history. I hate it when the shining city on the hill falls short of its ideals.

14 posted on 07/18/2004 9:14:44 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Mr. Mojo

I have a more catholic view. But of course, the individuals in question should chart their own course, and if they want to come to America, then I would favor legislation to facilitate that. But we should not be selfish with such extraordinary talent.


15 posted on 07/18/2004 9:17:03 PM PDT by Torie
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To: claudiustg

I have a certain creativity. By the way, I forgot Russia. Russia needs its remaining Jews too, and quite demonstrably.


16 posted on 07/18/2004 9:19:33 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie

I think Arik has an obligation to let French Jews know that they are not obligated to live in a country that may not find them desirable and that they have options.


17 posted on 07/18/2004 9:20:21 PM PDT by zarf
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To: Clive


The Kerry/Edwards Files
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The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection

18 posted on 07/18/2004 9:21:12 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Torie

Perhaps Arab countries would accept them?


19 posted on 07/18/2004 9:22:01 PM PDT by zarf
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To: Torie

Agreed.


20 posted on 07/18/2004 9:22:18 PM PDT by samtheman (www.georgewbush.com)
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To: zarf

I think the official position is that they would. But Jews someone told me are not stupid. Maybe later, maybe in say 100 years from now. This agnostic WASP would choose to cut 10 years off his life expectancy if it meant not having to live in an Arab country. I just don't find the culture congenial to my values. It is a personal thing.


21 posted on 07/18/2004 9:24:55 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
Putting aside the rhetoric about FDR, it was indeed shameful that America did not welcome the oppressed and endangered Jews threatened by the dark Fascist menace, as it had in the past, and did in the future. It cannot be defended or justified. It was wrong, and a shameful episode in American history. I hate it when the shining city on the hill falls short of its ideals.
That's what I was referring to when I posted the word "agreed". Not the other stuff you're saying. I'm having trouble figuring out what's motivating you on the other stuff.

Sharon said the obvious. I don't see your problem with that.

22 posted on 07/18/2004 9:25:31 PM PDT by samtheman (www.georgewbush.com)
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To: Torie

And for the record, FDR was a Socialist. Through and through. Took a deep recession and morphed it into a Great Depression. What a guy.


23 posted on 07/18/2004 9:26:39 PM PDT by samtheman (www.georgewbush.com)
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To: Torie

We should do a nice cleaning of Europe, and make it part of Israel. ...wouldn't take more than a few days.


25 posted on 07/18/2004 9:31:22 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Vicomte de Valmont

And you agree with Sharon [that Jews should leave France] because you want Jews to be safe from the hordes of Islamists in your country, or for another reason?


26 posted on 07/18/2004 9:32:02 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: claudiustg

The continued presence of a Jewish population in France means that much more of a political opposition to the Mooselimbs. Should they go, it would be Pure Frogs vs. Mooselimbs and I think Pure Frogs would end up the losers in that one.


27 posted on 07/18/2004 9:33:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: xrp
"...and how 'bout those French nuclear weapons? :-D"

...you mean the French nukes in Iran?
28 posted on 07/18/2004 9:33:11 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: samtheman
I think the planet would benefit by having Jews in every nation on this planet. In fact, I know it would. But of course, I don't expect Jews or anyone else to compromise their safety or livelihood or values based on some planetary eleemosynary ideal. It is just a thought.

I hope that helps.

29 posted on 07/18/2004 9:43:33 PM PDT by Torie
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To: samtheman
France was once a great country, brimming with great artists, and even their army was feared. Now it is a PC cess pit. The intellectuals have demasculized the French citizen, and thank God that the Americans resist!
30 posted on 07/18/2004 10:06:53 PM PDT by ashtanga
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I think it would be great if the State Department advised Americans in France to vacate and for the rest of us not to travel there on business or pleasure. :)


31 posted on 07/18/2004 10:07:51 PM PDT by twgiles
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To: Vicomte de Valmont
Just as I figured -- you're a gutless Frog, redundant as that may be.

Enjoy Sharia law -- it's coming to a town near you.

34 posted on 07/18/2004 10:50:26 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: samtheman
Too bad there weren't more such public statements made in the 1930s about living in Germany. Of course, then there was no place to go.

Maybe, but fighting back, to the death if necessary, would have been a much better option to me, than being led slaughter.....

35 posted on 07/18/2004 10:56:30 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf ( failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Clive

Im. Interesting. He dissed France but he probably made a lot of jews mad too.


37 posted on 07/18/2004 11:00:08 PM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com........................www.bushcountryketchup.com)
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To: Torie
I think the planet would benefit by having Jews in every nation on this planet.
I think the planet would benefit by having Muslims in every nation convert to some other religion or philosophy. But that's not going to happen either.
38 posted on 07/19/2004 2:13:10 AM PDT by samtheman (www.georgewbush.com)
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To: smokescreensaver
As someone in this thread aptly put it, Israel need the population influx to buy time - there's quite a difference between Israeli and Palestinian birthrates, so every European Jew coming to Israel is a little gain for this country. So this little proclamation is not really surprising.

As for the fact Ariel Sharon is doing this because of his concern for the safety of French Jews, well...I'll just say that Israel suffers many more antisemitic attacks than France, and that they tend to be deadlier too. Unless I've totally missed some wave of antisemitic bombings in French theaters, restaurants and night-clubs, that is.
40 posted on 07/19/2004 6:20:02 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Vicomte de Valmont

Too bad the French are completing a process started by the Nazi's 60 years ago. My disgust for French "culture" knows no bounds.


41 posted on 07/19/2004 6:25:30 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Torie

Really? Ghettoizing in America, UK, Canada, and Israel? All Jews in the world will go there to those unpleasant ghettos? Really?


42 posted on 07/19/2004 6:46:23 AM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts (Keep your eye on the donut, not on the hole.)
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To: Torie

eleemosynary ideal. It is just a thought.
I hope that helps.


Charitable, Charity (ideal) = eleemosynary ideal. Really?

Are we headed to "It takes a Village"?


43 posted on 07/19/2004 6:58:21 AM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts (Keep your eye on the donut, not on the hole.)
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To: Vicomte de Valmont

I don't understand. So what is your view in this case ?


45 posted on 07/19/2004 8:57:24 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246 ("We in Poland don't know the term: peace at all costs.")
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To: Clive
Muhammad-inspired persecution of Christians, Jews and all non-Muslims continues...
46 posted on 09/07/2004 8:28:49 PM PDT by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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To: Clive

I would say that would be a smart move.


47 posted on 09/07/2004 8:33:06 PM PDT by sport
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