Kerry aide (Cleland): Bush 'flat-out lied' on Iraq

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[fish hawk]

the Idiot blew himself up!!! Is that a war hero?

[Don Joe]

They remind of the Kyhmer Rouge, brainwashing people now.

They are the Clymer Rouge, brainwashing people, and subjecting them to Algore's lispy rants, with heavy rouge smeared onto his cheeks with a spatula.

Sorry for that revolting word picture...

[AlbionGirl]

Excellent points, all, but I think any fair assessment of terrorist friendly nations would have to include Saudia Arabia, and obviously we're not going after them. We're not going to take on Korea, etc, etc. We'll be selective as well, unless we don't give a whit about economic collapse.

The WOT, as I see it, is a very delicate war indeed. We can't fight every nation that gives aid and comfort to the enemy, we just can't. Not just because of economic considerations, which are legion, but also because protracted War is always disabling, and dismantling the terrorist network faster than recruits are being gathered ain't no cake walk.

And you can't just nuke everybody without serious, serious economic backdraft. Not to mention the fact that no serious person can want the deaths of that many people as an American legacy, unless there is positively no alternative. Three year old Moslem boys are still babies, 18 year old Moslem girls are still maidens.

I'm not trying to say that we shouldn't give it our best shot or do what needs to be done, my point is that there's much more to fighting the WOT than anyone can possibly imagine, and that the problem with Messers. kerry and edwards is that they are fundamentally unserious men. And I think a sobering ad that said just that would really hit home.

I know a lot of people disagree w/me, but I think President Bush needs to get off his duff and realize that he's not a shoe in. And I'll say it again, GW ought to get out there, POST HASTE, UNSCRIPTED, and take his case to the people because he's got a good case to make. And it would be nice if he could get 52 or 53% of the vote, so that he'd have a nice working majority, but I'll do without that as long as he wins.

[Don Joe]

Excellent points, all, but I think any fair assessment of terrorist friendly nations would have to include Saudia Arabia, and obviously we're not going after them. We're not going to take on Korea, etc, etc. We'll be selective as well, unless we don't give a whit about economic collapse.

Well, yeah, but... that's approaching it from 180 degrees away from where the RATS are coming from.

There is a marked difference between noting that not ALL targets have been hit yet, and demanding that NO targets BE hit unless they fall into a very narrowly defined set of criteria -- criteria that did not exist when the initial threat was issued (and heralded by one and all at the time).

I don't recall ANYONE saying "I've changed my mind, I no longer agree with us going after every terrorist-friendly nation" -- yet, I do see many that have obviously changed their minds.

So where's the outrage?

Hell, were's the awareness?

It's like the collective fifteen second attention span has erased the initial consensus from the public's memory -- and no one in the fifth estate is at all interested in bringing it back to mind.

[Don Joe]

This grenade was found on a chopper pad on a US base. Unlikely it was left for the enemy.

Are you sure?

Cleland, 25 years old, and two members of his team were now ordered to set up a radio relay station at the division assembly area, 15 miles away. The three gathered antennas, radios and a generator and made the 15-minute helicopter trip east.

I got the impression that it was a remote landing zone that served an unattended repeater. I can easily see a "gift" being left there, to prevent "charlie" from f'ing with the hardware.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the information!

[Indie]

"This country is less safe and less secure because of George Bush's decision to go to war alone and alienate the Arab and Islamic world and generate more recruits for al-Qaeda," he said.

Mr Cleland: Ignorance is no excuse for stupidity.

[ex 98C MI Dude]

Positive. Division assembly areas have all sorts of supply and artillery units there in order to 'slingshot' the close combat units forward. They are not unattended radio repeater locations. I have worked such a relay station in a G-2 element. There were hundreds of people at that location.

To include a helicopter pad and refueling point.

[malia]

"the Idiot blew himself up!!! Is that a war hero?"

And that is why I called him a "war hero" not a war hero!!!!!

[Let's Roll]

Yeah, isn't the story that he picked up a grenade he saw lying on the ground and this was behind the lines, back at camp or something similar? Too bad - but not heroic.

[mass55th]

"Too bad - but not heroic."

Yeah. He made a stupid error and suffered a terrible loss. The thing that ticks me off about him is that he then used his injuries to carve himself a political career. And like Kerry, he allowed untruths about his injuries to be spread, creating an inaccurate myth of being a hero. There's nothing worse than a phoney, and the Democrat party seems to be loaded with them.

[RockinRight]

OK, so hope they do it!

[Let's Roll]

While too often - other actual heroes go unsung.

[COEXERJ145]

This from a Bozo who fragged himself?