Posted on 07/19/2004 5:07:42 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
I was wondering the same thing. Does the National Archives have cameras in their viewing rooms. I would think they did. If so, Berger is in a boatload of trouble.
It's like Winona RIder saying she inadvertantly took merchandise from one department to another - she didn's shoploift. WHen the video came out of her stuffing clothes in her bag, GUILTY.
If there is one, show me a the video
Timing of the leak seems to be the only RAT spin for the day. Meanwhile is John effin still on vacation?
Should Sandy Berger face charges for taking classified documents?
83.02% Yes
16.98% No
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I don't know if there is video, but the Berglar was observed by a guard and subsequently set up with a sting.
I don't usually subscribe to conspiracy theories, but I can't understand how McAuliffe has escaped any investigation into such a large transaction that doesn't pass any smell test. I am also amazed that so many people, like Berger and Hubbell, are willing to fall on their swords for the Clintons. I am also amazed at the many people who end up as patsies of the Clinton machine. In Martha Stewart's case I think she's the perfect Clinton patsy. She's widely disliked, rich, and unaware.
"Gergen tells N-B-C's "Today" show the incident is "more innocent than it looks." "
Oh, sure, innocent people always hide documents in their socks.
"I don't think they have all the facts yet, just Berger's version."
Papers inadvertently jumped into Berger's underpants...and they say this with a straight face!
I was reading those excerpts last night...until 2 am...oh, my! Anyway, forgetfulness seems to be Berger's strong suit. Forgets to tell Clinton for 18 mos. that secrets have been stolen from Los Alamos, forgets that he stuffs documents in his pants......I'm sure there's more!!
The media seems concentrated on the "timing" of this story.....they'll find a way to blame Pres. Bush. When Bush took office I kept saying NO ONE deserves the mess Clinton left him. I hope I live long enough to see the Clinton's crew get the blame they deserve....sigh....
Their spin often takes the form of accusing others of what they themselves are guilty of.
I suspect the democrats knew this would come out eventually, and feared its impact would be far more damaging in the fall right before the election. So they pull a clinton favorite tactic, leaking it themselves in July, in hopes it will burn itself out well in advance of the election and counting on the American public's short attention span--all the while hopping up and down and squealing about republican timing.
I just can't comprehend what on earth the Clintons have on Sandy Berger to make him pull a stunt like this. What kind of database do these evil creatures keep? It happens over and over again--people all around them fall on their swords and the Toon and the Beast just keep on rolling along. Amazing.
Fish: You said you think the Justice Dept. set up a sting.
I've read that the Archives notified Berger on Oct. 2 that there was a problem. The Archives inspector general then began investigating and didn't turn it over to the FBI until January. So any "sting" was set up by the archives.
THEO: Amazing how fast this story is developing.
Now we know the disappeared "drafts" were written by Richard Clarke at Berger's behest. I bet Clarke's involved in this. He's developed almost an almost bigger interest in rearranging history than the Toons.
John King's story reveals a new spin angle: "Hey! What does it matter is he took a few lousy drafts...after all, the commission has the FINAL MEMO".
From my recollection of all the lawyers on TV during the Toon administration, it's not a good sign for Berger that he hasn't been interviewed.
Just heard Rush state this and went right to the end of this thread and sure enough, see you guys are on top of it. Why aren't we surprised?
It should have ALREADY BEEN FRONT PAGE NEWS! What a baffoon! Doesn't reflect on Sen. Kerry?!!! WHAT!!!! And Gergen calls Berger an "honorable man?!!!" How laughable!!!! IS THERE NOT EVEN ONE HONEST, DECENT MEMBER OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION IN THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY? ... someone who could come forth and just be honest, truthful, righteous...a LOVER of AMERICA and all that is AMERICA and all it stands for to be called AMERICAN?! Truly sad to say...I don't think so...not at all...not EVEN one.... :-(
You can be pretty sure there is a video otherwise Burglar would have used the Clinton defense: Deny, Deny, Deny!!! His admission of guilt means that he was caught redhanded on videotape.
Of course, only FoxNews and Rush et al will pursue it ... but it would make for a great advertisement.
"If we can't get our own party reps to say this is an outrage....ohhh, this just really ticks me off."
I know how you feel. It's like watching the mother with the awful, bratty, fit-throwing kid who says very softly.....'now honey'.
Lott took the same stance this morning. Bond did take the opportunity to say that Kerry needed to indicate national security is an issue he takes seriously since Berger is an advisor.
I was saying THANK GOD Bush will be in there to preserve evidence from the Toon administration. If it had been Gore, all this would've disappeared a long time ago.
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Media note:
I tuned to CNN a while ago and Wolf was interviewiing Susan Page, who wrote the Berger article for USA Today. I only caught the tail end of it.
Wolf was saying to her, "Well, I bet it's going to get a lot more prominent play in those other papers' front pages tomorrow." Susan said yes, she agreed.
Wolf then remarked that she'd covered Berger for a long time. Did this sound like the Berger she knows? Page: "No. I've always known him to be straight forward in his dealings with me. This isn't like him at all." [Wish I knew what they'd been talking about...]
You can bet you sweet bippy the rest of us would be charged...especially those who work for defense contractors or other federal agencies/departments, who work close to anything dealing with national defense. SHAME on HIM!!! Rush is right...if this had been Condi Rice or any other Republican, this would be front-page, 24-hour, non-stop news coverage/commentary. Heard it's on page 17 of the NY Slimes and on the interior of the WPost as well. Sickening!
This reminds me of the Senate Republicans discovering the memo with the Democrat plan to influence of an affirmative action court decision by preventing a judicial appointment before it was decided, and other important stuff about how the Dems were influenced to block judicial appointments...and the story became, how did the Republicans get the memo, and Republican heads roll. Democrat senators, along with Gergen, are already telling the media how suspicious this news breaking now is...
The Dems are trying to change this to the "timing of the release of this information." This can't be allowed to happen! This is HUGE -- I mean, I thought this was huge last night, but in his SOCKS?! This is bigger than Watergate. As Hugh Hewitt and Rush Limbaugh have said, among others, if this was Condi Rice just imagine what would be going on in the media today.
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