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1 posted on 07/20/2004 1:23:29 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis
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To: All

"Was Jesus a libertarian?"

No.
Jesus was always right.


2 posted on 07/20/2004 1:30:55 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Remember_Salamis

Schaffer for the Senate.


4 posted on 07/20/2004 1:44:14 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons.)
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To: Remember_Salamis

bump


8 posted on 07/20/2004 2:08:50 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: Remember_Salamis
Libertarians say Jesus was Libertarian

Democrats say Jesus was Liberal

Republicans say Jesus was Conservative

That's how it's always been. Each political party picks and chooses what they agree with and run with it. Mystery solved.

9 posted on 07/20/2004 2:15:59 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (While Bush plays "rope a dope", Kerry/Edwards play "grope a dope".)
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To: Remember_Salamis

Jesus wasn't a illegal drug taking anarchist, there is no relation.

No way Jesus was a libertarian, and if a libertarian ever was in contact with Christ, they would chastise Him for pushing His ethics upon their immorality and vices.


11 posted on 07/20/2004 3:14:39 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Talk about selective and HIGHLY flawed use of scripture.

Read in context, Rom. 13 makes it CLEAR that Christians are to be odedient to government except when it directly contradicts God's commands; but CHRISTIANS are not under the "Ten Commandments" or the Old Covenant. They are under the New Covenent, as established by Jesus and outlined by Paul, Peter, et. al. Paul makes it VERY clear that "The state does not bear the sword in vain [i.e., for nothing] but to execute wrath.." In other words, government is to administer justice so that individuals DO NOT engage in vendettas---as occurs in much of the Middle East.

No, God's best plan was NOT for the people to have a king: it was "worse" in the eyes of the Libertarians---to have a THEOCRACY. Can you really imagine these people supporting having, say, Jerry Falwell or John Paul II actually governing society?

Jesus Himself explicitly sanctioned paying taxes. He did not establish what was a "reasonable" level, although personally I think one can infer that if God only requires 10%, that should be the state's limit, too.

Timothy was referring to people getting welfare from the CHURCH, not the state. (No, I don't support government welfare, but this is still a total distortion of what Tim. was talking about). He was saying that if the CHURCH was going to support you, you had to work, too.

Finally, as most everyone will point out, to not address abortion and drug use is so convenient as to be funny. Jesus would slam modern-day Libertarians for elevating their own freedom and liberty above obedience to God.

Finally, it is interesting that Jesus so KEPT the civil laws that the Jewish leaders had to distort what He said and threaten Pilate with civil rebellion OF THEIR OWN in order to get him to crucify Jesus.

13 posted on 07/20/2004 5:10:31 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Christ is Order. Whole Bible can be summarized in one sentenance i.e. God Created Order. He also gave free will to every being which off course is a sin as this free will have a capacity to not to follow GOD's order.

As we observe in today world we see sodomy which is against the order.It will soon happen on altar. We see terrorism which is against the order. It is happening at our home and work place..... and so on
15 posted on 07/20/2004 5:17:52 AM PDT by agneyen
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To: Remember_Salamis
Wow. An entire rhetorical/religious house of cards built on a foundation of jello.
16 posted on 07/20/2004 6:13:25 AM PDT by atomicpossum (I give up! Entropy, you win!)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Jesus told several people "Go and sin no more"

I would think that automatically disqualifies Him as a Libertarian.

Besides, I object to the question because Jesus Christ was totally unique among humans. The Son of God defies our puny little categories, does He not ??

18 posted on 07/20/2004 8:18:17 AM PDT by BSunday (YES AMERICA CAN !)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Was Jesus a libertarian?

No. Jesus said he came to fulfill the law not to do away with it. He also said that people should obey the priests of the law and "do everything" they are told because they sit in the seat of Moses even though those priests are not living as they should be living.
20 posted on 07/20/2004 8:31:17 AM PDT by aruanan
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Bump for later reading


22 posted on 07/20/2004 8:38:44 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: Remember_Salamis

The author makes some really good points about how Christians should be involved in politics to assert a good influence on the rest of the world.

But most Christians are sitting around waiting to get raptured in the 2nd Coming, so they aren't about to get their hands dirty in something so awful as politics.


26 posted on 07/20/2004 9:17:50 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

in case you are interested.


27 posted on 07/20/2004 9:32:13 AM PDT by thePilgrim
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To: Remember_Salamis
Better essay: God is not an American
30 posted on 07/20/2004 10:36:33 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox (Ares does not spare the good, but the bad.)
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To: Remember_Salamis

Was Jesus a libertarian?

NO

Jesus was and IS the Lord God himself manifest into flesh by the word of God.

No human on earth would have went through what he did to save all the humans from themselves.

The word politician doesn't occur in the KJV.

The word politics doesn't occur in the KJV.


The word politicle doesn't occur in the KJV.

Rom 9:11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.

1Th 1:4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:


Election occurs 6 times in 6 verses


40 posted on 07/20/2004 2:13:28 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Most people talk a lot, few are up for the moment. Welcome to Freerepublic.com)
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To: Remember_Salamis

My theory on the Waco/Ruby Ridge scenarios is this:

Both of these incidents were to test how much a future America would put up with from any police authority.

Yes, in both instances, the targets were law-breakers, but were either of these events handled well? Considering the hand Janet Reno had in this era, those manly hands... ugh.
Sorry.

Anyway, were they handled properly? Did Ruby Ridge have to end the way it did? Was Waco's fiery end preventable?


49 posted on 07/20/2004 5:28:04 PM PDT by The Libertarian Dude (Patrick Henry didn't say "Give me liberty or make me give a urine sample" - Mojo Nixon)
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To: Remember_Salamis

Well Jesus did live at home with his mother until he was 30, so maybe he was a Libertarian.


50 posted on 07/20/2004 5:30:59 PM PDT by NeoCaveman ("If we beat them bad enough, they can't cheat" - Hugh Hewitt)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Was Jesus a libertarian?

Hmmmm........
Last I heard.......
Jesus wasn't a member of any particular political party........

Next question.........

57 posted on 07/20/2004 6:45:14 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Remember_Salamis

Was Jesus a moral-liberal humanist ideologue who called for the mandatory toleration of evil? No.


61 posted on 07/20/2004 8:17:28 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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