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UPDATED: Iraqi paper reports discovery of nuclear warheads
Al Sabah (Iraqi paper) / Wash Times ^ | 21 July, 2004 | Al Sabah

Posted on 07/20/2004 11:14:11 PM PDT by propertius

Edited on 07/21/2004 11:16:05 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Update from Wash Times:

A U.S. military spokesman in Tikrit told United Press International that the report was untrue. "Nothing's been found. The report is not factual," said Master Sgt. Robert Cowens, a spokesman for the 1st Infantry Division...

A spokesman with Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's office told UPI that the report concerning the alleged missiles and warheads emerged "while gathering information for Saddam Hussein's tribunal" during the interrogation of a captured former official of Saddam's regime.


Al Sabah, the Iraqi newspaper funded by the Coalition Provisional Authority, reports on its front page this morning that a former senior Ba'ath party activist has led coalition troops to three nuclear warheads hidden in a bunker.

Will post translation when we have it.



To: All

Here is story in full:

Headline: Khidhur (or Khidhir) al-Douri, back from the dead, reveals three nuclear missiles

Sources in the Interior ministry and the National Security Advisor's Office refused to comment on news reports that three missiles with nuclear warheads had been seized during the arrest of Khidhur al-Douri, the former Ba'ath party member.

Iraqi political sources, who requested anonimity, inisisted that Iraqi security authorities arrested al-Douri and seized the missiles.

The same sources told al-Sabah that al-Douri, who held meany Ba'ath party positions during the former regime, was falsely pronounced dead on its demise. Forged death certificates had been circulated.

He was arrested in an area between Oja and al-Dour, in Salahidine province.

The same sources said three missiles were found with nuclear heads attached in a tunnel six metres underground.

A cement layer six metres thick had been built over the tunnel to hide it from scientific ray detection that could detect the radiation emitted by the nuclear heads.

The tunnel leading to the three missiles is connected to a small hole that opens out on the main road between Ouja and Dour.

The sources said al-Douri was arrested after sending an email, specifying the location and a meeting place in Tikrit.

Authorities analysed the message. Iraqi forces then moved into the area, laying a trap that snared al-Douri and his son.

Al-Douri then revealed the location of the missiles. Various light weapons and money was also seized during the operation.

ENDS

171 posted on 07/21/2004 12:00:20 AM PDT by propertius
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To: scott7278
"He believed the NIMBY crowd and was just trying to find a place that wasn't in anyone's backyard.

-PJ

151 posted on 07/20/2004 11:52:21 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Sandy Berger was just having a premature redactulation.)
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To: counterpunch

The WMD will be found whether buried in the desert or in Syria/Lebanon. I think the Bush Administration, and in particular the Blair Admin, is making a big mistake moving away from this. The above about the location of the WMD is supported by comments made by Israel's top IDF general a few months ago.


152 posted on 07/20/2004 11:52:25 PM PDT by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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To: propertius

Doesn't count. They're untested and unproven. Besides your not suggesting these are WMD in the same sense as the WMD George Bush has in his socks, are you? </end 'rat spinning>


153 posted on 07/20/2004 11:52:48 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: propertius

I want to thank you for sharing the translation. I have already sent out links to this news thread. If the story is correct (as they present it), then this is really big.


154 posted on 07/20/2004 11:53:28 PM PDT by rit
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To: propertius

Is this the same paper online?>

http://www.alsabaah.com/20040710/english.htm


155 posted on 07/20/2004 11:53:45 PM PDT by wolficatZ (__><)))*>__\0/___/|_____)
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To: propertius

BTTT


156 posted on 07/20/2004 11:54:24 PM PDT by oldfart ("All governments and all civilizations fall... eventually. Our government is not immune.)
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To: weegee

Eactly. Even if he didn't have WMD, which I doubt, Saddam was a dictator with the intention of pursuing WMD.


157 posted on 07/20/2004 11:54:30 PM PDT by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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To: nopardons; Shermy
I hope they find them and take pitures of the WMDs!

well, maybe not:

"The return of U.N. inspectors to Iraq is an urgent necessity; not to search for weapons of mass destruction, but to write the final report about the nonexistence of (such) weapons ... in Iraq, which will enable the lifting of sanctions," ElBaradei said in Cairo.

And here we get to the crux of the issue; the Iraqi people need sanctions lifted a lot more than Bush needs a confirmation of the existence of WMDs. If this were Clinton, the needs of Iraqis would be secondary if they were of import at all when it comes to getting reelected.

And the Democrats all along knew that the sanctions had to be lifted in order to insure Iraq got back on her feet and they knew what political as well as material and bloody sacrifice it would take to get this done. They knew very well- because they have been briefed all along- that the Bush admin couldn't protect itself from their political attacks of "no wmd" by presenting our real finds without screwing Iraqis's chances of getting the UN to officially lift sanctions. The rats took advantage of this necessity, knowing that success in Iraq depended on it, and knowing that Bush could not and would not waver and respond no matter the damage they did. The huge quantities of precursors stored in military bases had to be called mere pesticides, the shells had to be called old and dated pre-gulf war; the missile findings had to be ignored, the findings of the Poles had to be discounted, the Jordanian plot buried, the European ricin plot obscured, the anthrax/al Ani story had to go nowhere, the Niger story reduced to a mere attempt to acquire, the Libya/Qadeer Khan stories had to be scrubbed of their references to the Iraq and left at best with a reference to a "fifth nation" ; the labs called mere hydrogen balloon factories though no one would put their name to that claim; Hatfill had to be followed around in circles, and Kay's talk of Iraq's innovative anthrax production pretty much buried. It's all been out there in whizzing in our faces though the press keeps telling us it's just raining.

158 posted on 07/20/2004 11:55:00 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: vger
If you put two of the nukes on the bottom and then very carefully placed the third on top of the first two; you could call it a stock pile.

But it not the huge stockpiles we were led to believe existed by the lying neo-con.

159 posted on 07/20/2004 11:55:04 PM PDT by Taxbilly
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To: Political Junkie Too

"The WMD's are half-finished, because he realized that the money would be better spent feeding the women and children. He made a simple mistake, and now the Republicans are politicizing it to their advantage. How many men of good character are they going to destroy?"


160 posted on 07/20/2004 11:55:49 PM PDT by scott7278 (Kerry/Edwards: More Affordable Hair Care for America)
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To: Jeff Chandler
What's Arabic for horse****?

Yassir Arafat

161 posted on 07/20/2004 11:55:57 PM PDT by Maynerd
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To: propertius

Must have more translation.......


162 posted on 07/20/2004 11:56:22 PM PDT by vger (asta la vista earthlinks!)
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To: yonif

I'm sure most people agree with every word you say, I certainly do, in spades. I'm an Aussie who wants GWB to win the election and win it bigtime, then he can do everything you say needs to be done.
I hope, no I pray, this breaking story has legs like a centipede!
I'm waiting with heart in mouth for the translation here, on the other side of the Pacific.


163 posted on 07/20/2004 11:56:34 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD pdf click Fred Nerks for Link.)
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To: yonif

Additionally Saddam reportedly financed terrorism (giving money to the families of dead Palestinian homicide bombers).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm


164 posted on 07/20/2004 11:56:35 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: GeronL
eh?? Did you say sock pile??

Socks have been on my mind today.

165 posted on 07/20/2004 11:56:50 PM PDT by Taxbilly
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To: Jeff Chandler; Maynerd
What's Arabic for horse****?

Al Jazeera

166 posted on 07/20/2004 11:56:57 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Terrorist attacks ain't caused by the use of strength. They're invited by the perception of weakness)
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To: HarryCaul
It seems sooooo unlikely this would break in an Iraqi paper first.

I dunno about that. They probably found something. I think they would tell the Iraqi press. If they are nuclear warheads, where'd he get 'em (Russia). They are probably not actual armed warheads.

However, based on Warner's statements a lot of stuff is being found, odds and ends. I've got a general good feeling, and I've been one saying Bush has got to win the election even while there is still plausible deniability of any WMDs. That may yet be the case in November.

167 posted on 07/20/2004 11:57:00 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: weegee

Yup. $25,000 a piece. Now that Saddam is gone, Iran has taken over giving about $50,000 a terrorist suicide.


169 posted on 07/20/2004 11:59:05 PM PDT by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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To: calenel
If they had them- they wouldn't keep them all in one spot. This may be a fantasy rewrite of what Ritter once said- that Iraq had three protoypes but lacked sufficient enriched material to do anything with them.

And if sanctions won't be lifted on Iraq until it is certified "clean" by the IAEA- then anyone coming up with a story like this true or not may have ulterior motives. They may want to derail the process and keep sanctions imposed- just a passive way of saboutaging the new country's economic development so the new gov can be undermined.

170 posted on 07/20/2004 11:59:58 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: All

Here is story in full:

Headline: Khidhur (or Khidhir) al-Douri, back from the dead, reveals three nuclear missiles

Sources in the Interior ministry and the National Security Advisor's Office refused to comment on news reports that three missiles with nuclear warheads had been seized during the arrest of Khidhur al-Douri, the former Ba'ath party member.

Iraqi political sources, who requested anonimity, inisisted that Iraqi security authorities arrested al-Douri and seized the missiles.

The same sources told al-Sabah that al-Douri, who held meany Ba'ath party positions during the former regime, was falsely pronounced dead on its demise. Forged death certificates had been circulated.

He was arrested in an area between Oja and al-Dour, in Salahidine province.

The same sources said three missiles were found with nuclear heads attached in a tunnel six metres underground.

A cement layer six metres thick had been built over the tunnel to hide it from scientific ray detection that could detect the radiation emitted by the nuclear heads.

The tunnel leading to the three missiles is connected to a small hole that opens out on the main road between Ouja and Dour.

The sources said al-Douri was arrested after sending an email, specifying the location and a meeting place in Tikrit.

Authorities analysed the message. Iraqi forces then moved into the area, laying a trap that snared al-Douri and his son.

Al-Douri then revealed the location of the missiles. Various light weapons and money was also seized during the operation.

ENDS


171 posted on 07/21/2004 12:00:20 AM PDT by propertius
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To: scott7278
"It was a science fair project from the first graduating class from Saddam University. When he saw what they had done, he buried the experiment in the sand and sent them all to journalism school instead."

-PJ

I give up. I have to go to sleep now. :)

172 posted on 07/21/2004 12:00:42 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Sandy Berger was just having a premature redactulation.)
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To: yonif

We should already be in Iran and moving on. The brainless Democrats, the media elites, and the elistists have literally thrown all of us to the wolves. Every innocent that dies from terrorists hands as far as I am concern are on the head of every liberal, progressive, democrat. It is becoming harder and harder to distinguish the difference between a terrorist, democrat politicians and RINOs. Their goals are the same, they share no conscience nor remorse over the death of any innocents. They each want the power and it does not matter who they have to sacrifice to get it.....


173 posted on 07/21/2004 12:01:39 AM PDT by Two-Bits (God Bless the USA and all who love her)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

If this is true?? .. Holy Moly


174 posted on 07/21/2004 12:01:42 AM PDT by Mo1 (50 States .... I want all 50 States come November!)
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To: Admin Moderator

please update the story with the post I am replying to.


175 posted on 07/21/2004 12:02:20 AM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!)
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To: Political Junkie Too

I do too. You win. Good night!


176 posted on 07/21/2004 12:02:33 AM PDT by scott7278 (Kerry/Edwards: More Affordable Hair Care for America)
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To: piasa
Oh bloody Hell...of course;you're right.

What a brilliant mind you have!

177 posted on 07/21/2004 12:02:43 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: scott7278

Gimmie a break, just governemnt manipulation. Face it IRaq had no warheads. I'm not against the war, I'd have just prefered they went in under the real circumstances. Iraq should have freedom, as a model to the rest of the middle east. This is grasping at straws.
Can't we just go in and give it to them? The Bush admin should have recognized that.


178 posted on 07/21/2004 12:02:46 AM PDT by crona (Long time reader first time poster)
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To: propertius

Oy vey...again. Crikey!! If confirmed, the 'Rats are going to be deeply saddened.


179 posted on 07/21/2004 12:03:14 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Michael Moore has made "documentary" a 1-word oxymoron.)
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To: adam_az

You should apply for the new jersey poet laureate position.


180 posted on 07/21/2004 12:03:42 AM PDT by flashbunny (Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: propertius

I hope its true. If it is Bush has been vindicated and al Kerry is history (down the tube socks).


181 posted on 07/21/2004 12:03:47 AM PDT by vger (asta la vista earthlinks!)
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To: JustPiper; Howlin

Did you see this? I thought of you both as soon as I read it. Hope its' true.


182 posted on 07/21/2004 12:04:07 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD pdf click Fred Nerks for Link.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

183 posted on 07/21/2004 12:04:39 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Terrorist attacks ain't caused by the use of strength. They're invited by the perception of weakness)
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To: Mo1
OK. Wait....breath....wait....Ok. Anything on any other news outlets?

How reliable is this newspaper...Why would this kind of news come out in a newspaper?
184 posted on 07/21/2004 12:05:01 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: propertius

http://www.alsabaah.com/

Do you have a direct link to the story? This is all I get from a translation of the Al Sabah main page...

http://www.soulsurvivors.net/Public/AlSabah07202004_Trans.htm


185 posted on 07/21/2004 12:05:05 AM PDT by LayoutGuru2 (Triskaidekaphobia ? Never heard of it !)
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To: GLDNGUN

It is one of three newspapers in Iraq that are considered fairly serious


186 posted on 07/21/2004 12:05:11 AM PDT by propertius
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To: propertius
Meanwhile, over at DU...

That story of three nukes found in Iraq has to be total BS...but if they're there, Bush planted 'em to screw up the coverage of the convention...

187 posted on 07/21/2004 12:05:50 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Michael Moore has made "documentary" a 1-word oxymoron.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Are they really saying that?


188 posted on 07/21/2004 12:06:34 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Terrorist attacks ain't caused by the use of strength. They're invited by the perception of weakness)
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To: vger
If it is Bush has been vindicated

Well, not really.

If he didn't know they had them, but said they had them, then he still lied. Whether they ACTUALLY had them doesn't matter. (At least, that's my nomination for the spin)

189 posted on 07/21/2004 12:06:58 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: dila813

Clinton legacy dead!


What legacy? His legacy will consist of being the horniest president in history....while being married to a lebo.


190 posted on 07/21/2004 12:07:04 AM PDT by conshack
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To: Keith in Iowa

If the story is true,this will be John Kerry's response:

"This is exactly why I voted for the Iraq war in the first place. Now if I had been president, we wouldn't have taken a year to find these weapons."


191 posted on 07/21/2004 12:07:45 AM PDT by ambrose (Kerry is endorsed by the Communist Party USA)
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To: piasa

The surreal nature of the political battles since last year has raised suspicions that they have been in part just for show.


192 posted on 07/21/2004 12:07:47 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Choose Ye This Day
>>Are they really saying that?

If they aren't now, they will be soon...wouldn't be surprised at all...
193 posted on 07/21/2004 12:08:05 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Michael Moore has made "documentary" a 1-word oxymoron.)
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To: propertius
Khidhur al-Douri, if this story is true, has decided to "come in from the cold." Running and hiding must have gotten rather tedious.

A standard procedure when defecting is to deliver a "bride price" as part of a negotiated settlement, to ensure that one is not going to go to the gallows or to a small cell for life. Typically defecting spies bring over the most valuable secrets they could steal before flipping sides as their bride price.

Three hidden nukes is a hell of a convincing bride price, if true.

194 posted on 07/21/2004 12:08:23 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Keith in Iowa
Secret nuke plans found in the Pants Man's shorts.


195 posted on 07/21/2004 12:09:04 AM PDT by vger (asta la vista earthlinks!)
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To: propertius
Ouja is near Tikrit. It is Saddam's birthplace. From MSNBC:

Situated along the banks of the Tigris just south of Tikrit, the village of Ouja was once the ultimate bastion of loyalty to Saddam Hussein. Dun-colored villas until recently owned by the dictator's family members, including Saddam's sister and his first wife—mother of his late sons Qusay and Uday—loom along the palm-fringed banks of the Tigris, not far from the hut where the former Iraqi dictator was born more than six decades ago.
196 posted on 07/21/2004 12:09:04 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conshack

Clinton's legacy was enabling Bin Laden and giving China assistance with their missile rocket and guidance technology so they could hit any city in the USA.

That is his legacy to us.


197 posted on 07/21/2004 12:09:20 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: propertius; LayoutGuru2

When I go to the english page, it doesnt mention this, where are you getting this info from ????????????????????????????????????


198 posted on 07/21/2004 12:09:47 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Travis McGee; propertius

Wasn't al-Douri Saddam's #2 or #3 man? The redhead?


199 posted on 07/21/2004 12:10:26 AM PDT by ambrose (Kerry is endorsed by the Communist Party USA)
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To: Dallas59

*L* .. Breath Deep

If it's true .. Freepers will find out sooner or later :0)


200 posted on 07/21/2004 12:10:28 AM PDT by Mo1 (50 States .... I want all 50 States come November!)
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