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Where Urban Legends Fall
NRO ^ | July 21, 2004 | Catherine Seipp

Posted on 07/22/2004 12:31:16 AM PDT by neverdem

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Where Urban Legends Fall
Snopes.com, the ultimate debunker.

Many people have attacked Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 by now; my favorite description comes from Christopher Hitchens, who called it "a load of nauseating, boring rubbish from start to finish." But long before the familiar pundits began touring the Michael Moore media circuit, urban-legend debunkers Barbara and David Mikkelson, of the indispensable Snopes.com, were on the case.

The husband-and-wife team are not professional folklorists. She describes herself as "just a housewife;" he's a computer programmer in his day job. But their website is so first-rate that retired folklore professor Jan Harold Brunvand, probably the top academic specializing in pop-culture myths, told me it's a big reason he's never bothered setting up a site of his own. "They have it all there," he said, "so I will just stick to writing books."

Snopes began as a purely urban-legends site in 1995, run out of the couple's home in the Los Angeles suburbs. But especially since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, it's become an invaluable resource for sifting through political and media facts and fallacies. You won't find a more exhaustive and nuanced dissection of Fahrenheit 9/11's central "big lie" — as Christopher Hitchens, writing in Slate, described Moore's claims about the Bush administration's supposedly sneaking Bin Laden family members out of the U.S. before the FBI had time to question them — than on Snopes.

Barbara Mikkelson has since amended her entry on Moore to apologize for her tirade against him. "Part of Mr. Moore's statement [she'd originally reacted to an interview Moore did with Fox News] has since been proved to be correct — during the ban on air travel, some Saudis... were transported by air to assembly points in the U.S. in preparation for their leaving the country," she wrote. The lengthy analysis that follows, though, shows that Moore was incorrect on his major, crucial points: the Saudis left after airports reopened, and after being questioned by the FBI.

Still, wrote Barbara, evidently regretting straying from her normally cheerful and reasonable tone, "I shouldn't have yelled at him... the world is full enough already with pain and miserableness."

Anyone, but especially reporters, should check out Snopes before passing on a story that seems too good to be true. The site isn't always a wet blanket; some tall tales turn out to be accurate. Soupy Sales, for instance, actually did once tell young viewers to mail him those "little green pieces of paper" in their parents' wallets. And indeed there are, believe it or not, words to the Star Trek theme: "Beyond/the rim of the star-light/My love/is wand'ring in star-flight..."

On the other hand, another popular TV urban legend — that Tom Green once dressed up as Hitler and crashed a bar mitzvah — is, alas, just a story. Green even denied it to Snopes personally. "I wish it was about something funny, like me having a gerbil removed from my a** or something."

My favorite Snopes sections chide professional news organizations for reporting urban legends as fact. Reuters had a nasty little item a few years ago about drug smugglers who hid their contraband in a girl's corpse. The wire service's source was the Gulf News, which said that smugglers had kidnapped and murdered a child in order to stuff her body with codeine. But an airport official "at the unnamed Gulf state" became suspicious and arrested the smugglers, according to a United Arab Emirates policeman quoted in the Gulf News piece.

The story, which was datelined Dubai, got picked up the next day by the Guardian in the U.K., among other publications. But the whole thing was an old urban legend, and a fairly obvious one to anyone who stopped to think about it for a moment. Wouldn't a doll or diaper bag be a lot handier than a hollowed-out corpse? I asked folklore professor Jan Harold Brunvand about the media's role in spreading such stories. Brunvand, whose latest book is Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid: The Book of Scary Urban Legends (out in October), said that actually the media have been pretty good about correcting these tales.

But Brunvand added that "Reuters is especially prone to circulating doubtful stories, especially those that have shown up in newspapers in faraway places. The Reuters story will just say, 'as reported in the such-and-such,' which is true enough, but they apparently make no attempt to verify or investigate the item. Of course, now and then the other news services get burned too."

Reuters, which has such notoriously bizarre judgment it won't even call Islamic suicide bombers "terrorists," is one thing. But Brunvand also cited an AP story datelined Chisnau, Moldova, as "a very Reuters-like situation."

"They quoted a Moldovan newspaper telling the old Runaway Grandmother legend without the slightest hint that this was an old traditional legend," he explained. In this tale, which dates back to at least the 1930s, someone tries to sneak Granny's dead body across the border of some country for burial, but then thieves steal the van (or canoe, or whatever) and all wackiness breaks loose.

The urban legend about drug-stuffed children's corpses also has a long history. According to the "Kid-Stuffed" page on Snopes, which updates many stories collected by Brunvand, various versions of this gruesome little tale have been reported over the years. It's even mentioned in Scoop, Evelyn Waugh's 1937 novel satirizing the press.

In a 1985 article about the Miami drug trade, the Washington Post cited a cocaine-stuffed dead-baby anecdote as fact, although the paper later printed a retraction once it realized the tale was apocryphal. However, The New Republic later referred to that same Post story without mentioning the retraction. (This was years before the Stephen Glass era, for the record.)

"We believe what was reported [in Dubai] was a case of an official telling an urban legend as a true story during an anti-drug lecture to students," Barbara Mikkelson told me.

Mikkelson points out on the website that drug-stuffed dead babies stories are so common in Miami that Edna Buchanan, the Pulitzer Prize-winning former Miami Herald crime reporter, made a point of debunking it in The Corpse Had a Familiar Face, her collection of police beat pieces just reissued in paperback.

"The dead baby is reported at least once a year," Buchanan wrote. "It did not happen. I have laid the dead baby to rest so often that I can now see its poor little pasty face in my mind's eye."

Even smart journalists fall for this stuff now and then. Boston Globe columnist Jeff Jacoby got into trouble a few years ago for passing on an urban legend about Declaration of Independence signers. My pal Toby Young reported that hoary old celebrity-and-the-ice-cream-cone anecdote as if he'd personally witnessed it when he was writing for The New York Press, which got him suspended for eight weeks. Toby, ever equable, said at the time that "seems fair."

Toby had described seeing a woman so flustered at encountering Tom Cruise in line behind her at a London ice-cream parlor that she unthinkingly stuffed her cone in her purse. This urban legend is one of the most well-worn out there, with Paul Newman in New York being a particularly popular version. Toby said he'd heard the story from a friend, assumed it was true, and put himself at the scene to add immediacy.

Jan Harold Brunvand hadn't heard the Tom Cruise version of the story until I told him about it, so that updated his files. He first wrote about the ice-cream cone tale in his 1989 book Curses, Broiled Again! and later in another collection, Too Good to be True. He e-mailed me: "I quote two versions by Paul Harvey and from a Washington state newspaper.... I also mention that in 1992 the Boston Globe ombudsman wrote an account of how his paper fell for the story."

Current searches on Snopes include John Kerry, who didn't earn his war medals under "fishy" circumstances, but did call a Secret Service agent assigned to protect him a "son-of-a-bitch"; Bush, who didn't try to start a presidential prayer team, but did salute an injured army officer in the hospital; and nefarious plots: a shipment of UPS uniforms is neither missing, nor presumed to have been stolen by terrorists.

Then there's the ever-popular page of Disney lore, which was the very first section Snopes ever did. Walt isn't cryogenically frozen, by the way, despite what you may have heard from a friend-of-a-friend who swears it's true. But that's another story.

Catherine Seipp is a writer in California who publishes the weblog Cathy's World. She is an NRO contributor.

 

     


 

 
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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: snopes; snopescom; urbanlegends

1 posted on 07/22/2004 12:31:17 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I have a personal friend who knows the doc that treated Kerry for the "wound" that he fanagled getting a purple heart for.

It was self inflicted, the oaf shot a grenade out of a grenade launcher at shoreline rocks and a tiny piece stuck in his skin. He did not pull the sliver out himself, but rather sought do document his "war wound" by gettng the doc to flick it out and slap a barely needed bandaid on it.


2 posted on 07/22/2004 12:58:34 AM PDT by Robert Taylor
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To: neverdem

As far as I've seen, Snopes is full of baloney. Here's an example of an urban myth Snope is trying to create:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm

[scrolling down to Parks]
" 7. Jerry Parks - former security team member for Governor Clinton. Prior to his death he had compiled an extensive file on Clinton's activities. His family had reported being followed and his home broken into just before being gunned down at a deserted intersection.
On 26 September 1993, Luther (Jerry) Parks was hit with ten bullets from a 9-mm semiautomatic handgun as he left a Mexican restaurant at the edge of Little Rock. His murder remains unsolved.
Parks' security company guarded Clinton's campaign headquarters in 1992. Parks' son, Gary, asserts in Circle of Power and The Clinton Chronicles (both video products of Linda Thompson's American Justice Federation) that his father collected a secret file of Clinton's indiscretions, and that his father was using the file to try to blackmail the Clinton campaign. (He also claims that Vince Foster knew of the file's existence.) Despite these allegations, the younger Parks has failed to produce the mysterious file, and Clyde Steelman, the homicide sergeant with the Little Rock police force, dismissed Gary Parks' theories of his father's death as "unsubstantiated, nothing to grasp." A far more likely suspect in the murder is Jerry Parks' former partner, with whom Parks had quarreled bitterly."

First off, it is not mentioned that Parks predicted his own murder the day he heard about Vince Foster's death. I heard his son mention it in the notorious "Clinton Chronicles". Sure, try to refute that video, but his son was there, on film, saying that his father predicted his own death, and that Clinton-related documents were burglarized at the same time. Sure enough, he died a few months later. Snopes is full of baloney regarding the Clinton death count. I just picked that one out of the blue. Snopes does no serious research regarding the Clinton body count and says it can't be so simply because it can't be so. It is a knee-jerk pile of rubbish.


3 posted on 07/22/2004 1:33:12 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Ernest's remark about the the Sloppy Sock Berglar: Soxgate and Sexgate equals Suxgate.)
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To: Robert Taylor

I was an M203 grenadier and can say that it could easily have happened that way. Those rounds arm themselves at a short distance out of the tube, and the contents can injure the grenadier. IIRC, the old M79 worked about the same way.


4 posted on 07/22/2004 1:34:06 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons.)
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To: Robert Taylor

Here's what Snopes says about Vince Foster's alleged Swan Song letter:

"White House deputy counsel Vince Foster committed suicide on the night of 20 July 1993 by shooting himself once in the head, a day after he contacted his doctor about his depression. A note in the form of a draft resignation letter was found in the bottom of his briefcase a week after his death."

It was a pathetic effort, the letter was torn into scraps, suddenly appeared in his briefcase several days after his death, and once again, Snopes is full of baloney.


5 posted on 07/22/2004 1:40:03 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Ernest's remark about the the Sloppy Sock Berglar: Soxgate and Sexgate equals Suxgate.)
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To: All

Here's some brainless, opinionated puffings by Snopes about the Ron Brown Crash:

"What "new evidence"? Ron Brown and 34 others were killed in a plane crash in Croatia on 3 April 1996. The plane slammed into a mountain while on landing approach. There were no survivors.

A lot has been made of an x-ray of Brown's skull in which what looks like a round entry wound appears. Closer examination of Brown's skull by military officials revealed no bullet, no bone fragments, no metal fragments and, even more telling, no exit wound.

Simply imagining a scenario under which Ron Brown could have been shot takes one into the realm of the absurd. Was he shot in the head during the flight, in full view of thirty-four other witnesses? (If so, how did they get off the plane?) Did the killers shoot him before the flight, then bundle his body into a seat (just like "Weekend at Bernie's") and hope nobody noticed the gaping hole in his head? Or did Croatian commandos fortuitously appear on the scene to scale a mountain and pump a bullet into the head of an already-dead plane crash victim?

See what the Air Force had to say about this crash."

[link to the Air Force Clinton-imposed propaganda sheet]

I heard what four forensics specialists had to say about those photos and x-rays, and it makes sense to a radiology technician I talked to, who also was concerned about the metal fragments seen in Brown's scalp. To ignore all that evidence is hogwash. To think that Croatian insurgents might not have been hiding in that area is hogwash. To ignore the report that a light beacon was moved, and that the operative at the airport might be armed is also hogwash. The man in charge of the light beacon allegedly shot himself a few weeks later. Just a coincidence, right? The crash took place on April 3, the plane crashing into a mountain on the same date of Martain Luther King's 'made it to the mountaintop' speech. Just a coincidence, right?

Snopes should be called 'dopes.com'.


6 posted on 07/22/2004 1:49:22 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Ernest's remark about the the Sloppy Sock Berglar: Soxgate and Sexgate equals Suxgate.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Or perhaps you have taken one too many hate Clinton pills and will believe anything offered....Snopes does a reasonable job of letting folks know what's a hoax and what isn't. The fact that you don't agree with them about the "Clinton body count" (as you so tackily put it) does not make them full of baloney...pass the tin foil


7 posted on 07/22/2004 4:23:36 AM PDT by jnarcus
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

You sure have a beef against Snopes, don't you? Most of us around here consider it the bible of debunking. Maybe what you're really looking for is unquestioned affirmation of your conspiratorial suspicions. In that case, Snopes is definitely the wrong site to reference.


8 posted on 07/22/2004 5:46:39 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: jnarcus
"perhaps you have taken one too many hate Clinton pills"

Are they available on-line? I want some!




:-)

9 posted on 07/22/2004 6:02:51 AM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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To: tdadams

I used to, until I detected a leftist slant to their site, something serious debunkers avoid. Serious debunkers let the chips fall where they may and don't jump the gun until all facts are in. Plus they don't reconstruct a debunking to make it fit an agenda.

This is the best example;

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/navyflag.htm

This is the third incarnation of this debunking. I used to check their site every day. When this first appeared, not only did they mention the flag, but also that Clinton had no trip to Vientnam scheduled. That was the other half of the story. They were also pretty vocal about debunking the trip part of the story. A week later the Clinton administration admited that a trip to Vietnam was indeed in the works. Snopes just chopped that part off of this whole issue.

Geoff Metcalf at World Net Daily still stands behind the story, even after Snopes "debunked" it.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21167

He cited active military sources who wanted to remain unknown, for obvious reasons. This would classify it as "can't be verified at this time" to serious debunkers. Snopes had it up as "False" from day one.


10 posted on 07/22/2004 6:22:37 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Sorry, first line last post should read "I used to visit Snopes every day..."

I forgot to add that they also had Geoff Metcalf listed as the "single source" but dropped him out of their piece for unknown reasons.

I rarely go to Snopes anymore. Just off the top of my head, there are also a couple of things at Snopes I know are flat out wrong but they don't care.
11 posted on 07/22/2004 6:28:32 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
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