Clock Ticks on Extension of Gun Ban

NY Times ^ | July 24, 2004 | RACHEL L. SWARNS

[Pharmboy]

"Your papers, please! I only want to ask once."

[Pharmboy]

"Do you want to see one of these in your neighborhood?"

Yep...in my house.

[Bogey78O]

"Coming soon to a neighborhood near you"

I called their number and stated my disproval of their campaign.

[Dutch Boy]

But then again if you live in a state like NY the AWB sunset is moot. Our lovely RINO gov Pataki changed the state penal code to include the verbage of the AWB. Unless it's removed from our state law it stays.

On the other hand, I've still been able to buy an M1A, an FN-FAL and an AK-74 variant since the AWB was enacted.

[Doctor Wu]

Why is the left pounding Bush for not pushing the bill?

Clinton said he wanted abortions to be "safe, legal and rare." He vetoed every measure to make them more rare but the press could have cared less.

[alwaysconservative]

And send a copy of John Lott's "More Guns, Less Crime" to all your congresscritters. The leftists won't/can't read it, of course, but maybe if you included pictures and charts, they could start to understand, lol! And print out stuff from websites and sent it to them on how people SAVE lives with guns (Larry Elder has a great chapter in his newest book "Showdown"), a glimmer of truth might worm its way into their skulls.

[Condor51]

"I'm thinking of getting into black powder and flintlocks; I imagine they'll NEVER be outlawed..."

Now I'm assuming you're being somewhat facetious. However if the gun-grabbers got their way and attached amendments to the AWB, to make it 'stronger' and eliminate the current 'loopholes', black powder firearms would be effected.

It goes to the 'cop killer caliber' aspect the leftists are currently carping about. As most modern Black Powder rifles are .50 caliber or greater - they would in theory (I assume) be banned.

[ezo4]

you got that right! Most of my firearms are big black and evil looking. (I have a few nice stainless steel lever guns as well :o)

Still... the ban needs to go away. Its a stupid law. Its what the rats do to bite away and change the law of the land.

[aomagrat]

I hope you're right.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Take a Kid to a Gun Show.

[ezo4]

flintlocks = Fun

[Waco]

"Assult weapon",,,,,,,,,when will the keyboard be included?

[ex 98C MI Dude]

I don't know if the stricter state bans will be able to stand when the AWB dies. It is a interstate commerce thing. If it would be legal to manufacture and ship to State A, but not State B, then Congress gets involved. State A is being told by State B it cannot ship its goods there to sell. Huge no-no, Constitutionally, that dates back to the Articles of Confederation.

[William Tell]

crz said: "I'll go click a few rounds off with my Ruger rancher 223. "

Since I live in the People's Republik of Kalifornia, I will have to celebrate the sunsetting of the federal AWB by purchasing a Ruger Mini-14. ... I mean ... another one.

[Dutch Boy]

If it were only true.... Unfortunately since California has it's special rules that already went around the concept. There are now AR and AK variants with non-detachable, small capacity magazines. You have to load them from the top like guns from WW-1

[mvpel]

I was just observing facts of nature, like "the sky is blue," "the grass is green," or "if Bush signs an AWB he'll be a one termer."

[El Gato]

This a NYT hand wringing article to get knee jerk lunkheads like you all in a tizzy, with your knee jerk one liners.

It's actually the NYT's last (hopefully) attempt to get the renewal by stiring up the "grassroots" opposition that they just *know* must be out there ... somewhere ... surely ... maybe??? Mommy!

[COEXERJ145]

It will never passed the House. Delay and Hastert have said that there are no where near enough votes to pass it and that they're not even going to bother bringing it up for a vote.

[El Gato]

I'm thinking of getting into black powder and flintlocks; I imagine they'll NEVER be outlawed...

Then you suffer from a lack of imagination. They are mighty nasty weapons when it comes right down to it. But they will be demonized as "gateway" weapons, and the powder as a major fire and explosion hazzard.

[supercat]

You are correct, but the law does NOT prohibit the PURCHASE or OWNING of such weapons and magazines that were manufactured or imported BEFORE the "ban" went into effect. In most states you can still buy and sell such "pre-ban" weapons and magazines. If there is a ban on ownership, it was done by your particular state government. Here in Colorado I can still go to a gun store and purchase pre-ban weapons and magazines and own them legally. This probably comes as a shock to people living back east where most assume there is a federal ban on ownership. That is the "big lie" I am referring to.

As written, the statute does ban pæon possession of "assault weapons" and "high capacity ammunition feeding devices", but defines those terms to include only items manufactured after the cutoff date. A fully-tricked-out AR15 manufactured before the cutoff date is not considered legally to be an "assault weapon" even though it would have been called one if manufactured (with those same features) after the cutoff date.

It would thus be accurate (albeit misleading) to say that the number of crimes per year committed with assault weapons was more than 80% lower in 1993 than in 2003. [It was, of course, 100% lower].