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Questions for Well-informed Catholics
self | july 25, 2004 | self

Posted on 07/25/2004 3:11:54 PM PDT by Notwithstanding

Please advise on where I can find the chapter and verse on these matters

1. Can the priest sing the eucharistic prayer?

2. Who can purify the vessels, when, where and how?

3. Can the songs used for the Gloria and other sung prayers deviate from the words in the approved liturgical prayers?

4. Can the songs used for the psalms deviate from the words in the approved liturgical translations?

5. When is it allowable for a layman to distribute communion in jeans and sneakers at Mass?

6. When is it allowable to use laymen to distribute communion at Mass?

7. When a priest is not available to say Mass for a parish on a Sunday, but Mass is available within a 15 minute drive in a different language, is it permitted for the parish to hold a communion service on Sunday?

8. Is it permissible each week to invite new parishioners and guests to stand up and introduce themselves during Mass prior to the final blessing?

9. To present departing families with gifts each week during Mass prior to the final blessing?

10. Is it permissible to have the ecumenical children’s bible camp do some Christian songs and dancing (songs with gesturing and some dancing – kind of like the hokey pokey) joined by a barefoot dancing protestant song leader – during Mass prior to final blessing?

11. Is it permissible to invite parish kids to attend an ecumenical (which in this case means only protestant doctrine is taught) bible study or youth conference and have the parish pay for it and not offer any other camp/conference that is Catholic?


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I realize some of these things are allowed - even if irreverent. But which actions are actually not allowed?
1 posted on 07/25/2004 3:12:00 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Polycarp IV; NYer; Salvation

please do the Catholic ping on this.


2 posted on 07/25/2004 3:12:41 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: Notwithstanding

I have found the EWTN website to be very helpful - EWTN.com.


3 posted on 07/25/2004 3:15:35 PM PDT by Tanstaafl
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To: Notwithstanding

I have a question: On what basis do "extraordinary" ministers of the Eucharist "bless" little children accompanying their parents to communion?


4 posted on 07/25/2004 3:15:44 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Notwithstanding
Are these questions your homework assignment?

Just asking. . .

;-)
5 posted on 07/25/2004 3:18:16 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Notwithstanding

I'm guessing that all of these things are going on in your parish... and that you live in a rural community where you have no other choice. sigh. I have moved within three parishes in my county and it isn't much better. I focus on the presence and ignore the cultural stuff.


6 posted on 07/25/2004 3:20:59 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: Askel5
On what basis do "extraordinary" ministers of the Eucharist "bless" little children accompanying their parents to communion?

On the same basis you or I could.

7 posted on 07/25/2004 3:29:07 PM PDT by LouD
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To: Notwithstanding

Sounds like St. Francis parish in Sacramento. I'd move if I were you.


8 posted on 07/25/2004 3:30:39 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: Notwithstanding
I understand what you're dealing with. Every week it gets weirder and weirder in my parish (hand holding during the Our Father which I flat out refuse to do, singing parts of Mass that were never sung before like it's a revival, the use of a Deacon, etc.). I just don't like it at all.

I can answer #6 for you, though. It is always allowable for a layman to distribute Communion provided they have received the necessary Sacraments and have been informed on Eucharistic Ministering duties. Personally, I refuse to do it. The nun at our parish has asked me to become an EM and I just can't do it. Personally, I feel very few people have the morality that should be expected when dispensing the body of Christ.

9 posted on 07/25/2004 3:37:52 PM PDT by ShadowDancer
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To: Notwithstanding
When a priest is not available to say Mass for a parish on a Sunday, but Mass is available within a 15 minute drive in a different language, is it permitted for the parish to hold a communion service on Sunday?

And I could be wrong here but I have always understood it that no one but the priest can consecrate the hosts. If he isn't present, Mass can take place but not a full Mass. Communion cannot take place.

Is it permissible each week to invite new parishioners and guests to stand up and introduce themselves during Mass prior to the final blessing?

As far as this goes, this is strange but not against doctrine. They have started asking right before Mass concludes at my parish if there are any birthdays, anniversaries or visitors. After hands are raised, we are all expected to clap. I hate it. But, it's one of those 'Up to the parish priest' sort of deals.

10 posted on 07/25/2004 3:43:31 PM PDT by ShadowDancer
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To: Notwithstanding
As far as I know the General Instruction on the Roman Missal is the authoritative source where answers to many of your questions can be found.
11 posted on 07/25/2004 3:59:07 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (S&W 686P, Sig - P226, P239, Beretta 92FS & 8357,Taurus snubbie, Marlin carbine in .357 magnum.)
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To: Notwithstanding

I think these issues were settled about 400 yrs ago...if I remember correctly, the highest ranking muckity muck gets to decide the religious policy in his domain. So, for example in New York City: if Count THE DONALD Trump decides Christ is really present in the eucharist...YOU BETTER BELIEVE if you live there; unless the Margrave of Bloomberg decides otherwise.
This assumes that Prince Pataki doesn't depose the both of them, or that Archbishop emeritus Guiliani doesn't excommunicate the lot! just kidding, but this is pretty much how Europe worked in the Reformation.


12 posted on 07/25/2004 4:00:13 PM PDT by CAPTAIN PHOTON
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Personally, I feel very few people have the morality that should be expected when dispensing the body of Christ.

Nobody does. That is His gift to us. The clothing is a matter of taste, not Christian morals.

-ccm

13 posted on 07/25/2004 4:07:17 PM PDT by ccmay
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To: ShadowDancer
"...no one but the priest can consecrate the hosts. If he isn't present, Mass can take place but not a full Mass. Communion cannot take place.

A Eucharistic service can take place with a layman presiding. The Liturgy of the Word is conducted...with the readings...although a Layman can NOT preach a homily (That includes NUNS. Only a Priest or Deacon is permitted to preach a homily)

After the readings the congregation recites the Lord's Prayer. Hosts consecrated at a previous mass are taken from the tabernacle and distributed to the faithful. The lay presider recites the prayer after communion for the day and the congregation is dismissed with a closing song.

It's not mass...but with a priest shortage, unfortunately this is all some Catholics have.

15 posted on 07/25/2004 4:14:09 PM PDT by daffyduct
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To: ccmay
The clothing is a matter of taste, not Christian morals.

I'm not clear on your point here.

16 posted on 07/25/2004 4:33:57 PM PDT by ShadowDancer
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To: NYer
NYer has a website which lists the "do not cross this line" items which invalidate a consecration or a flagrant abuses.

Can you post a link for this please?

17 posted on 07/25/2004 4:53:11 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (06/07/04 - 1000 days since 09/11/01)
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To: ShadowDancer
I'm not clear on your point here.

I was referring to point #5 in the original post-- when is it permissible for laymen in jeans and sneakers to distribute the Eucharist?

-ccm

18 posted on 07/25/2004 6:39:52 PM PDT by ccmay
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To: Notwithstanding; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; livius; ...

Ping.


19 posted on 07/25/2004 6:42:53 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: ccmay

I guess I'm old school. I wouldn't show up at Mass in jeans as a regular parishoner, let alone dispense the Eucharist in that attire. You can say God loves you however you look. I say, self-respect means just as much.


20 posted on 07/25/2004 6:52:28 PM PDT by ShadowDancer
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