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I don't know if I like the idea of these guys playing pool out there with these asteroids...a lot could go wrong. (Oops, we bumped it to hard...and, now it's heading for earth.)
1 posted on 07/28/2004 8:22:11 AM PDT by blam
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I had asteroids for many years...boy do they hurt.


2 posted on 07/28/2004 8:26:15 AM PDT by Jackson Brown
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We know we'll be in for nine kinds of troubles if these scientist begin to pull 20-dollar (or Euros) notes out of their pockets and propose newbies to play pool with them for money, just to make the whole thing more interesting...


3 posted on 07/28/2004 8:26:24 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend
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Stray Star May Have Jolted Sedna
4 posted on 07/28/2004 8:29:24 AM PDT by blam
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Really now, if you want to know what an asteroid is like inside you have to do it the old-fashioned way

Paging Bruce Willis, this is NASA. Assemble your team...


5 posted on 07/28/2004 8:31:57 AM PDT by sinanju
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Excuse me ...but didn't Bruce Willis already do this .."Armegeddon" ( I cry everytime I see it)


6 posted on 07/28/2004 8:32:32 AM PDT by marty60
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Not terribly likely...Space is awful big, and even if one of these does hit Earth, there's a chance it could hit France, Saudi Arabia, Syria, or certain provinces in Canada. :)


7 posted on 07/28/2004 8:34:36 AM PDT by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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If Kerry kept his space-bunny suit from NASA, I can't think of a better person to send out to space to personally investigate the matter.


8 posted on 07/28/2004 8:39:17 AM PDT by Horatio Gates
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I, for one, welcome our new Asteroid Overlords.


12 posted on 07/28/2004 8:47:44 AM PDT by Blzbba (Hillary Clinton - Dawn of a New Error.)
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(Oops, we bumped it to hard...and, now it's heading for earth.)

That would make them easier to get to...

I wish they could figure out a way to cut a core sample and get it home. They could pick a dozen random sites on Mars, and a dozen asteroids at random, and see what this stuff is made of.

Of course, if we could get a lab built on the surface of Mars, perhaps another mobile lab out in the asteroid belt, and figure out a way to man it...

14 posted on 07/28/2004 8:49:36 AM PDT by marron
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BTTT


15 posted on 07/28/2004 8:52:01 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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More Moons Around Earth? It’s Not So Loony
by Robin Lloyd
October 29 1999 -- Earth has a second moon, of sorts, and could have many others. Cruithne, the 3-mile-wide (5-km) satellite, takes 770 years to complete a horseshoe-shaped orbit around Earth, and will remain in a suspended state around Earth for at least 5,000 years. Every 385 years, it comes to its closest point to Earth, some 9.3 million miles (15 million kilometers) away. Its next close approach to Earth comes in 2285. "We found new dynamical channels through which free asteroids become temporarily moons of Earth and stay there from a few thousand years to several tens of thousands of years," said Fathi Namouni, one of the researchers, now at Princeton University. Namouni’s colleague Apostolos Christou said, "At specific points in its orbit, it reverses its rate of motion with respect to Earth so it will appear to go back and forth." In his view, there are three classes of moons – large moons in near-circular orbits around a planet, having formed soon after the planet; smaller fragments that are the products of collisions; and outer, irregular moons in odd orbits, or captured asteroids like Cruithne. In the past year, astronomers have reported finding such objects around Uranus.
Perhaps the most significant development of this line of research will be the finding that such objects also wind up following these same channels to plummet through the atmosphere and wreak havoc.

V.A. Firsoff (Valdemar Axel Firsoff, as it turns out) wrote a lot of books (I think he's dead, but perhaps not), including Strange World of the Moon published back in 1959, ten years before the manned landings started, and even before the first robotic landers.

A while back I picked up a used copy for $1.98 at the enormous chain bookstore, which had "Shimon Kaplan, Israel" on the flyleaf, or whatever that blank first page is called. Hard to figure, considering this is Grand Rapids Michigan, but it's not exactly like a message in a bottle.

Firsoff's book is interesting in that it shows the prevailing ideas about what would be found on the Moon (it was already believed during the 19th century, and more relevantly, by the 1920s and 1930s in Germany, that humans would visit the Moon). In a chapter "The Earth's Fair Child or a Foundling?" Firsoff blows off the idea that impact plays any role on the Moon, attributing its surface features to vulcanism, a view that died a quiet death in 1972, when a geologist first set foot on the Moon.

Due to his volcanism bias, which was an outgrowth of his uniformitarian bias, he wasn't able to accept that the Moon's impact craters were in fact from impact, and attributes them instead to the Moon's capture by the Earth (as well as contraction of the lunar sphere), apparently after having been tossed off by the overspin condition very early in the history of the Earth (see Thomas Van Flandern for a similar articulation). He appears to envisage three encounters between the formed Moon and the Earth, resulting in temporary capture twice leading to the eventual outright capture.
...the Moon clearly could not have been the satellite of the Earth then, for a total period of about 2,000 million years... Spurr points out that the face of the Moon shows two systems of great surface fractures, or faults, lying about 30 degrees from the two poles and trending from west-south-west to east-north-east. This is explained by him as a result of the halting of the Moon's rotation... Curiously, the face of the Earth, too, shows a similar structure, with the same general trend -- the Highland Boundary Fault... The poles of the Earth would also seem to have shifted place on at least three occasions, in the Cambrian, Permian, and (lastly) Quaternary Periods, brining ice and cold to previously warm lands... some mighty force made the crust of the Earth slip (the rotational stability of the axis of a mass as large as the Earth is enormous) and the position of the poles wobbled... there exists on the Moon a triple grid of surface fractures... perpendicular to each other within each grid, the grids being of different ages... Cambrian, Perm-Carboniferous, and Tertiary.
Fascinating idea, based though it is on outmoded ideas about impact (i.e., Firsoff's view that there was no role for impact). He's basically given us a snapshot of the problems inherent with a fission origin (either by overspin or by impact), not least of which is that the fission origin also requires in orbit formation of the lunar sphere and capture by the Earth, while showing that capture is possible.

Here's Van Flandern's book (revised edition). FWIW, I don't agree with him regarding the origin of the moon, wonder how the EPH is an apparently frequent phenomenon while TVF provides no mechanism, and most notoriously, wonder how and why he remains a supporter of Richard Hoaxland's "face on Mars" nonsense:

Dark Matter, Missing Planets and New Comets: Paradoxes Resolved, Origins Illuminated Dark Matter, Missing Planets and New Comets:
Paradoxes Resolved, Origins Illuminated

by Tom Van Flandern


21 posted on 07/28/2004 9:14:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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Giant Impact Theory

28 posted on 11/14/2004 9:03:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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