Posted on 07/31/2004 6:13:39 AM PDT by jalisco555
Many French city suburbs are becoming ethnic ghettoes, a report has warned. The study by the French domestic intelligence services found many areas were populated by poor, young French of north African immigrant backgrounds.
The report, leaked to Le Monde newspaper, found at least half of the 630 suburbs it looked at had already become separate ethnic communities.
The report warned the ghettoes, cut off from mainstream French society, could encourage radical Islam to take root.
The intelligence service report deals with an extremely sensitive issue for France: just how bad the sense of alienation has become in the suburbs, among the French-born children of north African immigrant background.
-French domestic intelligence report
The report - given to the interior minister, Dominique de Villepin - concludes that the situation is actually worse than previously thought.
Of the suburbs studied, the report says at least half could already be called ghettoes, whose inhabitants felt rejected by, and were in turn rejecting, mainstream French society.
The areas studied were chosen because they already had problems with unemployment, crime and violence, had a high proportion of immigrant families - some still practising polygamy - plus a growing number of Islamic prayer rooms as well as frequent anti-Western and anti-Semitic graffiti.
The intelligence services noted that many families of immigrant origin were rejecting French values and even the French language, following instead more traditional ways of life associated with their ethnic origin - including an increasing religious radicalisation among young Muslims, and a backlash against young Muslim women who wore Western clothing.
Better-off families, mainly those of white European origin, were leaving such suburbs, creating an even greater sense of isolation.
Divide widens
The report's conclusions will worry the government, although they are not entirely unexpected.
For decades, France had hoped that its immigrants and their children would simply integrate into secular French society.
Instead, it seems, the opposite has been happening, with the divide becoming ever greater.
France's new law, banning the Islamic headscarf from state schools, had already provoked a national debate on integration.
In an attempt to solve the problems of France's city suburbs, the government has proposed a five-year plan to improve social cohesion - although, as the newspaper Le Monde concludes, it will be a race against time.
Certainly. By the way, how's Texas doing with all the immigration from Mexico? Would it be fair that its days as the bastion of American freedom are quickly fading?
France, as France, is a waste of real estate. It needs cleansing and perhaps Muslims are just the folks to do it. After they take over what is now France and a civil war erupts in the EU, then we can step in and push the Islamofascists back across the Mediterranean.
"Wow, nice piece of writing, and very, very prophetic, I'm betting. The average Frenchie has no idea of what's coming. And the government doesn't give a rat's rearend."
I think the majority of Frenchmen don't understand the threat at this point, but still many do, as evidenced by the success of Jean-Marie Lepen in the last presidential election.
France isn't the only country the citizens of which are blind to the threat of mass immigration. America has its fair share of Mexicans coming over here and being REWARDED by BOTH political parties for breaking the law. Sure, Mexicans aren't as dangerous as Muslims, at least not in terms of terrorism; but the immigrants are overwhelmingly socialist/communist.
The question is: If civilized nations don't put an end to this, what country will be the last standing?
If I'm not misinterpreting you, I think, sadly, that you're right. Maybe it'll take a civil war for France to wake up.
Be interesting if Notre Dame becomes a Mosque within my lifetime.
So when the great French Civil War comes, are we going to bail them out militarily?)))
No Blood for Cheese!
No Blood for Cheese!
Hate to break the news to some of my fellow Freepers, but immigrants have always come to host societies to improve their lifestyle or, in some cases, to flee political persecution. They have NEVER come here to assimilate into the land of Ice Cream Socials and Woolworth, to say nothing of the current culture of reality shows and Wal-Mart. It was only through upward mobility of the second and third generations that the Europeans who came to this country (I'm thinking of Italians and Poles here, as those were Clemenza's people) that earlier waves were able to successfully integrate into American society. If you sit around in your little ghetto b--chin' about how you're never going to get ahead and that you shouldn't finish school because "the man" will always be in your way, you will remain in your little (mental and physical) ghetto for the rest of your life. Let's also not forget the fact that Muslims come from a civilization with values that are incompatible with those of the west.
Le Pen has never broken out of the high twenties/low thirties. Much of his vote represents two declining shares of the electorate: Church-going Catholics and the Southern French lower middle class. It also doesn't help that he is a jacka-s. The FN needs new leadership before it can advance in the polls.
Oh, that's too EASY!
I don't think he's a jackass. Most French politicians are career politicians, educated in the art of political manipulation in elite schools. Jean Marie Lepen is a man of the people, so he has a tendency to say the wrong thing sometimes. His style is to Chirac's what George Bush's is to Kerry's. I have no problem with him.
Call me when an anti-immigration, true conservative makes it anywhere near 20% in America.
As for the United States, I have no qualms using the word 'crusade' to describe the fight we have on our hands both at home and abroad. We, like France, have our own share of fifth columnists and eventually some kind of religious and cultural critical mass will be reached.
All of the above may provide a partial explanation as to why immigration is near the bottom of voter priorities when survey are taken.
I'm not sure you're right. The danger in claiming Islam to be a political movement, is that the next target might very well be Christianity.
Yea, me too - seems like it'd be pretty easy and cheap to disrupt parts of the U.S. - 2-man sniper cells, bombs in 10 crowded shopping malls, food tampering. And if they got one container full of ak-47's and rpg's into the country, a lot of sh-t would be possible. Maybe Al-Queda not as powerful or well-manned or financially-supported as once thought. I don't know.
Kerry's MO is to support something (or at least not attack it) and then attack people who act on his words. He attacks Bush for trashing the Kyoto Treaty, but did not support it when it came up in the Senate; voted for Bush's education program, and then savaged it; supported the Patriot Act, and savaged John Ashcroft when he carried it out. He was for a unilateral American foreign policy when proposed by Bill Clinton, against it when suggested by either George Bush... "He was for affirmative action, just not this affirmative action. He was for a drug war, just not this drug war. He was for an Iraq war, just not this Iraq war." ...for weapons systems, but not those actually proposed; for the use of force, but under no conditions that anybody can imagine or foresee. He voted against the first Gulf War in 1991, but said he was not against using force then, and he voted for the second Gulf War in 2002, but said he never imagined that force would be used. In 2002, 2003, and 2004, he attacked George Bush the younger for not having taken the route followed by George Bush the elder, which he hadn't supported at the time. In 1991, he accused the elder George Bush of a "rush into war" (does this sound familiar?) and derided his coalition as "bizarre new bedfellows" and "shadowy battlefield allies." *...and of course, this...
A recent Popular Science has an interview with Arthur C Clarke [Childhood's End: A visit with Arthur C. Clarke in his Sri Lankan villa: the legendary prognosticator's thoughts on what's next. By Matthew Teague], who as you probably know thinks all religion has to be eradicated. He also believes he sees banyan type trees on Mars.Nineteen Eighty-FourOn a scarlet-draped platform an orator of the Inner Party, a small lean man with disproportionately long arms and a large bald skull over which a few lank locks straggled, was haranguing the crowd. A little Rumpelstiltskin figure, contorted with hatred, he gripped the neck of the microphone with one hand while the other, enormous at the end of a bony arm, clawed the air menacingly above his head. His voice, made metallic by the amplifiers, boomed forth an endless catalogue of atrocities, massacres, deportations, lootings, rapings, torture of prisoners, bombing of civilians, lying propaganda, unjust aggressions, broken treaties. It was almost impossible to listen to him without being first convinced and then maddened. At every few moments the fury of the crowd boiled over and the voice of the speaker was drowned by a wild beast-like roaring that rose uncontrollably from thousands of throats. The most savage yells of all came from the schoolchildren. The speech had been proceeding for perhaps twenty minutes when a messenger hurried on to the platform and a scrap of paper was slipped into the speaker's hand. He unrolled and read it without pausing in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner, or in the content of what he was saying, but suddenly the names were different. Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Oceania was at war with Eastasia! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong faces on them. It was sabotage ! The agents of Goldstein had been at work ! There was a riotous interlude while posters were ripped from the walls, banners torn to shreds and trampled underfoot. The Spies performed prodigies of activity in clambering over the rooftops and cutting the streamers that fluttered from the chimneys. But within two or three minutes it was all over. The orator, still gripping the neck of the microphone, his shoulders hunched forward, his free hand clawing at the air, had gone straight on with his speech. One minute more, and the feral roars of rage were again bursting from the crowd. The Hate continued exactly as before, except that the target had been changed.
by George Orwell
(from chapter 17)
The thing that impressed Winston in looking back was that the speaker had switched from one line to the other actually in midsentence, not only without a pause, but without even breaking the syntax... Oceania was at war with Eastasia : Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia. A large part of the political literature of five years was now completely obsolete.
You're damned right it isn't to assimilate..it's to dominate! Yet the liberal/left totally rejects any hint of this most vociferously. When are these politicians going to wake up and smell the...blood? I am sick to death of political correctness pushed into Fast Forward in order to scoop up the vote of Islamic minorities. The communist Lord Mayor of London to whom I complained recently after his warm welcome given to a Mad Mullah instructs me to read his website statement. The fool might at least have shown a vein of invention. On it he resorts to the customary political ploy of lashing "the tabloid press" for giving rise to "racism", "xenophobia" and "muslimania". (With regard to the latter, there is only one religion that is constantly threatening my life! Why am I not permitted to criticise or resent?) I move through various strata of society and almost every person shares my views - and fears - of the Great Islamic Takeover. This is symbolised by the listing in the London telephone book of "The Muslim Parliament". Their temerity! There is NO Islamic parliament in Britain. How long would my head remain on my shoulders were I even to ATTEMPT to list a "Christian Democratic Parliament" in the phone books of Iran, Saudi Arabia or any of those other states?
>We tend to take a benign view of a cultural symbol in >the interest of free expression. But the hijab is a gang >marker like grafitti on a wall. The more markers, the >bolder the gang--"We own this place".
We have refined tolerance from a virtue into a vice. But there is no reciprocity. I belonged to a Muslim e-group called "The Whole Truth" (!) from which I was expelled merely for inquiring whether certain quotes from the Koran were authentic. They included:
33/27 O Believers, do not take Jews and Christians as friends.
33/37 And Allah bequeathed to you their lands, their homes and their possessions together with LAND YOU HAVE NEVER TRODDEN.
98/6 The Unbelievers and idolators shall be in the Fire of Hell, dwelling therein forever. They are the most vile of creatures.
9/123 Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them see how harsh you can be.
Take those round to your nearest mullah and ask him for his reaction as to whether that has the ring of a book of admirable and loving texts and instruction.
Oh yes, there's violence in the Bible - but it's been consigned to the past. I've never yet heard a preacher instructing us to go forth and mimic it!
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