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Intelligence Obtained on (NY/NJ/DC) Threats Described Targets in Great Detail
Associated Press ^ | 8/1/04 | Associated Press

Posted on 08/01/2004 1:14:54 PM PDT by jimbo123

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To: luvbach1; Dog

yes, but a jet loaded with fuel is a rather unique delivery system. at least for the manhattan targets - its hard to drive an 18 wheeler gasoline tanker truck into a building - unless you do it at 4AM. the Newark or Long Island City buildings are another matter.

I don't know, why am I getting a vibe that we have already thwarted this attack, and this alert is essentially the epilogue? maybe its just wishful thinking.


21 posted on 08/01/2004 2:00:25 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: FairOpinion
By the way, speaking of idiot 'rats--

Howard Dean says there is no terror alert

(Shaking head...)

22 posted on 08/01/2004 2:05:10 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: jimbo123
Image making the rounds on the Arabic chat boards..


23 posted on 08/01/2004 2:07:59 PM PDT by gopwinsin04 ('Leave no hamster behind')
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To: ride the whirlwind

"I pray that any and all evil plans are thwarted."

We all do, especially our President. G.W.B. loves America enough to see that another attack does not happen on our soil on his watch.


24 posted on 08/01/2004 2:12:20 PM PDT by AngieGOP (I never met a woman who became a stripper because she played with Barbie dolls as a kid.)
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To: luvbach1

I think that's why they were working with the Tanzanian bomber prior to his capture in Pakistan last week. Info on Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani:

-"Ghailani is a terrorist facilitator and an operative," said an American intelligence official. "He's a very bad man, and his arrest is good news."

-Mr. Ghailani, who is believed to be about 30, was indicted in federal court in Manhattan in 1998 on murder and other charges connected to the embassy bombings in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. The attacks killed more than 200 people, including 12 Americans.

-Ghailani was responsible for obtaining the parts needed to construct the bomb, including the steel cylinders, TNT and detonators, another convicted bomber, Khalfan Khamis Mohamed, reportedly told the FBI.

-Ghailani was charged in a U.S. indictment with buying the truck used to carry the bomb that exploded outside the U.S. Embassy in Tanzania's capital, Dar es Salaam.

-Ghailani is alleged to have been one of those who bought the truck to deliver the Dar es Salaam bomb and materials for making that bomb. He is also alleged to have helped load materials into the truck. Six days before the bombings, Ghailani checked into Nairobi's Hilltop Hilton, where prosecutors say he met with alleged Kenya embassy bombers Mohammed Sadeek Odeh and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed next day. The day before the bombings, he was believed to have fled to Pakistan with co-defendant Abdullah Ahmed Abudallah. Ghailani was indicted for this crime on December 16, 1998.


25 posted on 08/01/2004 2:13:45 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: AngieGOP

Yes I know he prays every day for our country. If he didn't love this land so much, who knows, maybe he wouldn't have even been motivated to run for another term. I am so grateful that he is willing to put up with all the crapola for 4 more years.


26 posted on 08/01/2004 2:31:03 PM PDT by ride the whirlwind ("I will never relent in bringing justice to our enemies..." - President Bush)
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To: ride the whirlwind

Doesn't say much for our intelligence work.


27 posted on 08/01/2004 2:32:09 PM PDT by satan
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To: Southack

You're right, and that's the problem. While I think the
terrorists can get a bit more mileage out of conventional attacks on soft economic or political targets (like the rr bombings in Spain), ultimately they will try to go nuclear or biological. That being the only way to get their point across. AND THE MOSLEMS ARE CRAZY NOT STUPID. They wont be chattering away on the internet.

I dont worry about press conferences announced in the AM to reveal terrorist plans in the PM. If we get warning at all, it will be an immediate break in programming and a rush to red alert...martial law, evacuations etc.



28 posted on 08/01/2004 2:33:30 PM PDT by CAPTAIN PHOTON
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To: jimbo123
This "people per minute" stuff finally makes sense for why so many here have reported seeing ME types just watching or taping a place.

I wish I could remember the freeper who posted about ME people on overpasses each day as he was driving home, just in the last few weeks.

29 posted on 08/01/2004 2:33:57 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: jimbo123

Tell me again please about the Oklahama city bomber. He was executed .....Correct?

I think not.


30 posted on 08/01/2004 2:34:26 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: jimbo123
Is it reasonable to assume that since nothing happened during the Democrats' convention, but all hell breaks loose during the Republicans' convention that terror groups see the Republicans and GW as a threat to their efforts but don't see Kerry and the Democrats as a threat. So what does that say about who will make this country safer?
31 posted on 08/01/2004 2:44:25 PM PDT by Godfollow
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To: FairOpinion
Pakistan has been incredibly helpful in the War on Terror. The UK, Poland, and Australia have given us very valuable support in Iraq, but all the big breakthroughs in rounding up terrorists have come with Pakistani help.

One reason for that is that Pakistan is infested with terrorists and Poland, for example, isn't. But the war would be infinitely harder to win without the active cooperation of that country.

32 posted on 08/01/2004 2:51:45 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: CAPTAIN PHOTON
The terrorists have telegraphed their moves for years in advance. Hijacking planes: they did it to Israel decades ago. Suicide bombings: they've been doing it to Israel for decades. Car bombs: ditto. Snipers: ditto.

For 9/11, the terrorists combined two of their earlier methods: hijackings and suicide bombings. And they added one new thing: anthrax.

This Mo describes an enemy that gradually, very gradually, finds ways to increase attack damages.

It in no way indicates that they have a nuclear project worthy of mention; certainly no Manhattan Project in the Arabian deserts. If they do a nuclear hit, it will be a mere dirty bomb, not a full-fledged nuke. There is simply too much maintenance required for the old nukes on the black market to still be considered functional at this point in time.

Could they have more anthrax? Yes. Anthrax, however, makes for a terrible weapon. Pastuer's first vaccination in 1850 was for anthrax. Modern antibiodics defeat anthrax with ease, and anthrax takes weeks to do damage, providing the inflicted party with more than enough time to strike back and get healed.

We've also seen that the terrorists have had two ricin plots foiled: one was foiled in Paris and the other was foiled outside of London.

So looking at what they've tried do and have done, the smart money is that they will use more suicide bombers hitting churches, fast food restaurants, and financial/governmental buildings. They'll probably try a few big hits against power plants and transmission lines as well as against pipelines and refineries. Setting forest fires in the dry West is a reasonable bet, too.

Beyond that, expect ricin attacks on water supplies and more anthrax letters; along with perhaps one dirty bomb set off in a major metropolitan area.

If they get crafty they'll figure out how to detonate an oil tanker as it begins unloading in or near a U.S. port.

They might charter a jet and ram it into something prominent, too.

But in sum, these are mere nuissance attacks. In no way, shape, or form could they ever be construed as being devastating enough to win a world war.

They'll provide us with a convenient excuse to smash the ayatollahs in Iran and obliterate the freaks in North Korea, though. Who knows, perhaps we'll finally clean up Lebanon and Syria while we're at it, too.

Nor would it hurt my feelings if we did some rearranging in Somalia, either.

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

33 posted on 08/01/2004 2:54:59 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Dog Gone

Bush deserves a lot of credit for turning an enemy, Pakistan, into a friend.

Unfortunately most people don't even realize this, much less realize that it's a major accomplishment by President Bush.


34 posted on 08/01/2004 2:57:08 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: ride the whirlwind
If he didn't love this land so much, who knows, maybe he wouldn't have even been motivated to run for another term. I am so grateful that he is willing to put up with all the crapola for 4 more years.

I've thought the same thing: he would be much happier, with his beloved Laura, back in Crawford clearing brush, no longer having to endure the venom spewed by the liberals. He doesn't NEED this crap, and he probably says that to himself a few times a day.

It is his love of country and the knowledge that he is the man for this job at this, the most perilous time in our nation's history.

35 posted on 08/01/2004 3:01:12 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: FairOpinion

No, most people don't realize this about President Bush (and much more besides) because the media is so intent on portraying him as either stupid or evil, depending on the mood. I recently told a friend (probably now an ex-friend) that President Bush is better than a lot of people in this country deserve.


36 posted on 08/01/2004 3:04:17 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: FairOpinion
To be more precise, Bush turned the Pakistani government into a friend. An unaccompanied American walking the streets of Peshawar probably has a death wish.

It will take a generation at least before we can consider most Pakistanis as friends, I think.

37 posted on 08/01/2004 3:05:53 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Southack

It's the economy, stupid !! One strike and the markets and everything else goes to Hell. 9:30 AM 8/2/04 market crashes.


38 posted on 08/01/2004 3:19:15 PM PDT by fuzzycat
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To: MarMema

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=557530&section=news

A computer and several disks were seized when Ghailani and 13 others were seized last weekend southeast of Islamabad.


39 posted on 08/01/2004 3:20:51 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: FairOpinion
Bush deserves a lot of credit for turning an enemy, Pakistan, into a friend.

He also neutered Qaddafi (who is leaning toward the "friend" category as well).

Since he took office, 4 formerly hotbed countries (Pakistan, Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq) have turned more friendly. Several others (notably Saudi Arabia) are promising to clean up the madrassas.
Who says we're not safer?

40 posted on 08/01/2004 3:30:34 PM PDT by speekinout
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